An idea just flew into my head. seems like it could be fun, wdyt?

@Echedenyan
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I think that is fantastic, no joke.

But not in a way in which they could recreate artificial voices, but real voices must be used.

To be exact, I see it as a way to interact with other people and feel them near. Maybe making friendship in the process.

@libre_warrior
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Okay, so listen to this. What if this platform allows you to stitch audio like @Echedenyan suggested? And anyone can stitch on top of another audio. What if we allow people to download the entire thread to listen to while you do your jogging like a podcast?

Perhaps you can limit conversations to dialogues or trialogues? And perhaps you can invite specific people to join the discussion?

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@Gwynne@lemmy.ml, and while TikTok is a joke and a nightmare, it nailed the simplicity of referencing and remixing meme/template videos. That’s how not only dances but also amazing videos come about! So being able to easily remix and reference voice notes would make it amazing!

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I don’t understand why people are hating on tiktok. Like except for the fact that it is centralized.

The editing is super simple. It is a platform that distributes attention. People share nuanced and interesting stories and stories about their struggles. There’s a lot of inspirational content. You can interact with other people’s content in fun ways. We should take inspiration from tiktok, not just laugh it off.

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I largely agree with you that TikTok is a platform that’s amazing in many ways: creating highly specific content that could reach its most engaged audience possible (as in, mushroom posts for those who like mushrooms, Arch Linux for those who like Arch Linux, etc.), and making editing, referencing, and remixing incredibly easy.

And I also agree with you that the fact that it’s centralized is not optimal.

But what I fear the most is the usage of algorithms that maximize engagement. It’s no secret that those algorithms are excellent ways of showing polemic and divisive content, part of what leads to YouTube and Facebook being constantly put under public scrutiny for not only enabling, but bolstering mass disinformation. I’m talking anti-vax, flat earth, qanon.

This doesn’t affect every user. In a given user’s personal experience, they may never see these posts. This is part of the design: feeds are personalized. So while there are these radicalization and misinformation trends, some users may never experience them given their particular likes. But by now it’s clear that these platforms bolster algorithmic disinformation.

Having that in mind, and in particular making content democratically chosen and not algorithmically chosen, we can come to commend and perhaps use the positive characteristics of TikTok that you rightly pointed out.

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I’m coming to the conclusion that a key strength of the fedi is that AI/ML don’t fit since there’s no usage/addiction/advertising-based business model. Commercial enterprises can ramp up and develop super quickly while FOSS slowly follows to build sustainable alternatives. Your post makes me want to explore how to speed up FOSS in building and converging on those alternatives. Fedi TikTok for one sounds like it’d be a blast to build as does OPs idea.

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I also like that we can use the very technologies that made products with features we dislike, to create features we like. If such a feature is an algorithmic feed, it doesn’t necessarily have to be created with the goal of maximizing engagement. It could, for example, be trained to maximize happiness or a broader sense of well-being, or connection, or purpose, or any/all of the good stuff that positive psychology has been showing again and again in study after study that makes humans flourish. Omg… what a dream…

Obligatory response to the impending “but happiness is subjective, and how do you measure it anyway”: Indeed, happiness is subjective, but so is, to an extent, the content that ‘engages’ people. And yet the algorithms that maximize engagement are out there, being deployed again and again in social network after social network. Not only that, but we as humans have developed sturdy enough models that reliable predict and affect peoples’ experience.

To name a few of the relevant people in the literature, there’s Mihaly Csikszentmihalyi, Sonya Lyubomirski, and Martin Seligman. They show that psychology can be used to understand how humans feel purpose and happiness, and that it can also be used to guide people into those directions. They use all kinds of methodologies, including my favorite, real time sampling through the experience sampling method. This is basically asking you at random moments throughout your day what you’re doing and how you feel (along with many other questions). This is asked to hundreds if not tens of thousands of people, and the resulting absurd amount of data can be used to create robust models.

Anyway, that’s not the point of my comment, but I figured it was better to be safe than sorry. My point was that it’d be amazing to have algorithmic feeds trained to make us flourish.

@libre_warrior
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On point!

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@lorabe
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It could, but here people take their privacy more seriously than say, discord, so not many of us would participate.

Also mi voice is annoying lol.

Gwynne02
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I don’t mind people if they have an “annoying” voice, your voice is yours and nobody should judge it. Besides I’d like to see the internet become diverse, intimate and immersive.

@tricia@lemmy.161.social
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Sounds like a fun idea and I think you could just fork for example mastodon and use an other frontend 🤔

@mahnqee
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Whoever would consider creating such a platform, I would like to let you know, that here is yet another person supporting the idea. :)

Tommi
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It would be sweeeet. Instead of creating another new platform altogether, why not opening an issue or PR to implement it in Jam? Would it be feasible?

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@qsu@fapsi.be
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I also share the privacy concerns - it’d be too high a bar of publicly identifying yourself to really encourage conversation (and then I’d be worried about the perhaps non-technical people who would accidentally use it not realizing how their voice is PII).

I’m intrigued by the idea from a UX/convenience perspective though. Maybe you can get the best of both worlds (pseudo anonymity + speak-to-participate UX) if you “salt and hash” the audio consistently? That is, every user ID would have their voice altered in a consistent but irreversable way, that’s also not vulnerable to some future rainbow table~esque attack.

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Yea this would b cool, more organic. And if it even tries to go away from the standard social media linearity like Mastodon or the-like, maybe with also a more organic visual too, like real conversations, the first thing that comes to my mind is https://everynoise.com/

@pinknoise
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Idk voice message can easily leak your identity or lead to people being prejudiced, also speech-to-text still barely works but would be absolutely necessary for searching and accessibility. Furthermore properly recording and editing audio takes way more effort than I would ever want to invest into any social media.

soronixa
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that’s a great idea, I think it will be much better than mastodon. it just needs a software to make different voices.

@testman
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just steal acquire code from FunkWhale and PeerTube and put it into Lemmy

@hueyn
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Sounds great. Let us know when you make any progress please. Good luck.

Metawish
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I think this would be a really cool idea and not one I can think of already so would be interested

@libre_warrior
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Do you mean like soundcloud?

Gwynne02
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No I mean just like pleroma or mastodon. but threads are pretty much just voice messages.

Halce
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More like Clubhouse, though at the start perhaps.

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