• Kalash@feddit.ch
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      11 months ago

      Almost like Hamas is systematically using civilians as human shields.

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          11 months ago

          Right, Israel should just roll over an accept all death and destructing of their own people just because the Hamas doesn’t give a fuck about theirs?

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                The same way the police deal with people that have taken hostages. Or the same way the US military deals with them. BY NOT KILLING THE HOSTAGES.

                You are putting an awful lot of effort into purposefully not understanding this concept.

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                  The US doesn’t negotiate with terrorists as a policy. the police isn’t dealing with people hell bent on murdering them, their family, and all their friends.

                  The fact that you think your scenarios are related shows you don’t understand the situation.

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                11 months ago

                It’s called counter insurgency. But it involves thinking about the civilian population as real human beings with rights.

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            11 months ago

            No one said that. Why do you make it sound like this is the only other option?

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        11 months ago

        Even given that, Israel still has choices about what it does and responsibility for it. Israel is not forced to mass-murder civilians.

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        11 months ago

        The last dude was found hiding in a refugee camp. His decision to hide there doomed others in the camp. They do it on purpose because one side will sometimes play by the rules. Terrorists exploit that.

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          Yep, they have been doing this for decades.

          It’s almost a win-win for them. Either they avoid getting bombed … or they don’t but they get to play the victim card and point the finger at Israel. That’s literally their playbook.

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            If only there were some way to go into the refuge camp and kill ONLY THE TERRORIST, instead of firing missiles blindly into the camp.

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                  Hamas exists. A Palestinian resistance to Hamas could exist as well (and would likely be supported by Israel and the United States). Yet, there does not seem to be any Palestinian resistance to their violent and corrupt Hamas overlords.

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                If only Israelis could stop supporting a genocidal extremist government.

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                  If I recall correctly, Israelis were all out in the streets protesting their government just a month or so ago.

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          11 months ago

          Same argument applies for Russian Iskander strikes in Ukraine. It’s widely recognized that Russian Iskander strikes are targeting military personnel with visual confirmation and that civilian casualties are collateral damage.

          Are you going to support that, too? Argue that Ukraine is using human shields? That Ukraine is filled with terrorists?

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        11 months ago

        Proximity shielding the wya Israel uses itet is pure BS. Read about it. Almost every use of it is questionable and made to kill civilians.

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    11 months ago

    so that means they dont need to murder innocents anymore right??

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      11 months ago

      Wrong. They want to eliminate the very last Hamas fighter while totally ignoring the Hydra effect.

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    To all the commentators that obviously know better how to act in a war:

    How should Israel act to defend its citizens from the ongoing attacks? How should Israel act, so that Hamas will never be able to harm civilians again?

    And don’t tell us what you DON‘T want, tell us what you DO want.

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      This is the fallacy that America had with black gangs. They think gangs are the problem and the problem needs to be removed.

      The reality is that gangs are a solution to problems, such as wealth inequality, racism, violence.

      The solution to Hamas is to remove the conditions that made them necessary, which are apartheid, violence, forcible eviction, wealth inequality.

      However, Israel’s goals are the ethnic cleansing of the area, so this will never work for them. Talks of peace a tool of distraction. If this is not true, then they will return to the 1948 borders, which would make a viable Palestinian and Israeli state. But they’ll, make bullshit excuses of why that’s not possible.