Which websites should we link to?
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Recently there was kind of a discussion, with one user being a bit mean towards the other regarding the latter posting a link to Amazon.

While I do not agree with how they brought the discussion, I think it would be great to read everyone’s opinion about what should be link, and if linking to specific websites should be forbidden.

For example, we have Open Library, BookWyrm, Inventaire, etc, if you only want to link to a book’s information, and while it is harder to find a replacement to a web site where you can buy books, users can always search for it if they want.

What are your thoughts?

Kromonos
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Personally, I think that one can post links to Amazon or other closed systems from time to time, especially when it comes to books. Yes, Lemmy is OpenSource and here are also many present who condemn Google, Amazon, Facebook, … because of tracking, work ethics, privacy issues, etc. Still, it is the case that some authors and self publisher may not know better or even have no idea about systems outside Amazon. In addition, one should also consider that Amazon, for example, as evil as such companies may be, can be a stepping stone to more reach for aspiring authors.

If one doesn’t like something, one doesn’t have to comment on it, give it a bad rating or even start a riot. One can also ignore it and let the new things to those who don’t have an extremist aversion to something.

Just my 2 cent.

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What about recommending these libre web sites in the side bar but still allowing proprietary ones?

Kromonos
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I think it’s a great idea. Authors only can find libre sites, when someone recommends them. I also think it’s a good idea, when they are made aware of possible alternatives in the comments. Not everyone looks at the sidebar in detail or directly knows, what the links are useful for.

@pingveno
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Or writing a bot that tries to resolve the Amazon product to a libre site equivalent and replies with a comment?

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The flagship instance forbids bots, so I don’t think that will be possible.

@xarvos
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BookWyrm is a secondary source, so I don’t think it’s a good idea. Personally, I’d link to:

  • The book’s website, if there is (which usually just links to amazon)
  • Wikipedia page
  • OpenLibrary

As for where to buy books, I’ve recently heard of Libreture, which have DRM-free books (see other DRM-free book source), though its database might be lacking because it’s rather new.

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What do you mean that it’s a secondary source? It crawls data from Inventaire and OL but it also has it’s own database, for example there are books that are present there but not in OL and I think at some point OL will start crawling data from BW, too.

Wikipedia doesn’t have a lot of information on books if they are not super well known ones, so I don’t think that’s a good idea, but it can work sometimes.

Having links to Libreture and the other DRM-free options would be awesome, too, maybe we could create a thread with some recommendations and link it to the sidebar.

@xarvos
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for example there are books that are present there but not in and I think at some point OL will start crawling data from BW, too.

I thought it only takes book from OpenLibrary, because the last time I checked the only way to add a book was to add it on OpenLibrary. Maybe I just couldn’t find where to add it directly to BW and/or it has developed much since then.

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I don’t remember if this was added more or less recently, but yes, it doesn’t have that much metadata as OL yet but I don’t think that matters a lot in this community.

@4815162342
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I think if someone is linking to a book they should be allowed to link to Amazon if they want. People shouldn’t hassle them about it. If they’d rather people see a different link they can reply with that link.

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IM0 is not so much about that but about recommending web sites that are more healthier for the web.

@PinkyBrain
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I think if someone recommends a website like Amazon, it should be up to the OP to find an Alternativeto site that is similar. But the courtesy of the Alternativeto should be encouraged. The person replying is (usually) just trying to help.

@qsu@fapsi.be
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users can always search for it if they want.

Fwiw, this is super difficult for books in my experience.

Definitely better to encourage linking up an amazon than have a proliferation of content on this community where one can’t figure out (now or in the future) exactly what the post was really about.

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How is it hard to find them, though? If you look by ISBN you have a unique and precise ID to search for them, the only case where this could not help is if the book is a bit niche and does not show up on Amazon but on some more local place, probably where it was edited.

For German books it usually works well to link to the book’s entry on the publisher’s website. I don’t know how publishers do it elsewhere.

@ant
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Thriftbooks!

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I am Goodwash Thriftbooks, mighty pirate!

Kromonos
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One could almost think the joke hadn’t quite hit home. 🤣
Games like Monkey Island are not this popular anymore 🙁

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