Are any probes really needed? The history of genocide is pretty well recorded and proven. If there were to be an investigation it would only be about the quantity and quality of reparation.
Clearly the scope of the atrocities is still unkown as we’ve just found hundreds of children in mass graves in residential schools in Canada. Note that these crimes didn’t happen in some distant past either, these schools operated will into 90s. I do think an investigation is very much warranted as many of the perpetrators are still around.
Great point.
I’m guessing this is just the tip of the iceberg given just how many were found already.
A couple of years ago I went to Vancouver, B.C. on my honeymoon. My impression was that Canada is making a good faith effort to acknowledge the rich history of the First Nations and the sins of Canada’s past, and making amends where it can. It isn’t perfect by any stretch of the word and everything’s a work in progress, but this is just faux outrage.
I’m Canadian, and I can say that what Canada is doing is mostly lip service and simple actions that don’t require much money or giving up actual control of the land they stole.
Example: My university, UBC, in Vancouver, is built on “unceded” Coast Salish land. So instead of giving them back any meaningful control of the land, they just “consult” them every now and then, and have “we acknowledge we’re on unceded land” plastered all over their website and say it at the start of every school year. It’s literally become a meme because students can tell that it has no real meaning behind it. But hey, they name some dorm buildings after the local tribes so they must care, right? All the while the area around the campus (which is still unceded land) is dominated by rich people’s houses.
Another example that was taught to me just this summer in my environmental science class: A large portion of Indigineous communities still have to boil their tap water before it’s considered safe to drink, despite Canada boasting about having some of the highest quality water in the world (and it definitely does, just not for those people I guess).
Final example to show the actual attitudes about these things: people everywhere were saying how they feel for the victims that they recently discovered, and how horrible this is, but when a campaign arose to cancel this year’s Canadian independence day celebrations and turn it into a day of mourning (just this year, just a few months after the discovery, mind you, they’re not even saying to mourn every year), people lost their goddamn minds at the prospect.
@yogthos@lemmy.ml, you’re in Eastern Canada, right? How are things going with Indigenous peoples over there? I only know about what is happening on the west side.
I’m in Toronto, from what I understand Indigenous communities are rightly shocked by this in Ontario. These graves show that residential schools were far more horrific than has been publicly acknowledged previously.
At University of Toronto, we were told.nothing about indigenous people during our orientation or anything like that. I guess for Canadian people it wouldn’t be needed as much, though I think even that is debatable, but as an international student I would have liked to learn about it a bit sooner. All the indigenous related stuff I came to know much later by accident.
What kind of amends have they made? As far as I know natives still disproportionately overrepresented in stats such as homelessness and prison population.
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So you think it’s not legitimate for them to urge a probe, but it is legitimate for western countries (mainly the US/UK) to urge similar probes around ‘human rights concerns’ into the conduct of China, and Russia?
Unless I’m missing something, Canada isn’t currently re-educating minorities at the moment. Although natives aren’t really treated very well by the government
This was apparently going on until the 1970s, and even 1990s. Fairly recent, I think.
Yes they are indeed not treated very well by the government
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It’s obviously a move from China to go “no u”. A probe would be great but historic bad treatment and even genocide isn’t quite the same as ongoing one.
It’s hard to take this call for a probe from China seriously because of that.
If Canada is so concerned about genocide, they should lead by example and allow a thorough examination of their own crimes, before they point the fingers at others. Otherwise its just hypocrisy and double standards.
Absolutely but also China is doing the exact same thing, pointing fingers at Canada’s past while they’re doing the same right now. It’s hypocrisy all around.
for sure, but this doesn’t nullify these claims…
I don’t think anyone is saying Canada shouldn’t do a probe into their treatment of indigenous people, it’s just very very hypocritical of China to demand a probe while being furious when others want one in China.
yes, yes it is
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Maybe if they allowed independent investigations, people would believe it.
One, independent investigations have taken place in China over the Xinjiang thing which is what you’re probably thinking of. The World Bank went in and investigated, Pakistan did too, the EU didn’t though because they refused.
Two, it wouldn’t (and didn’t) change a damn thing. The WHO visited China and investigated the COVID pandemic and all they got for their effort is the US accusing them of being a Chinese shill.
Meanwhile, the Pulitzer prize winning “investigation” that Buzzfeed did of Xinjiang alleging genocide (no evidence AFAIK they they ever actually set foot in the Xinjiang province tho) was debunked by someone on Reddit.
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The power of socialist / juche necromancy really hit home to me last year, when reddit was convinced that kim jong un died, on the basis of zero evidence. This hit the front page of reddit several times about how he died, and there was a massive coverup to hide it.
After a month or two, new pics showed he was fine, and redditors ignored it. Even the reputable western news sources are no better than tabloids at this point, but their audience will still believe anything without evidence.
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I blame that more on the political dynamics of the DPRK and how opaque it is. The current political equilibrium is reliant on a perception of strength from a single person. He must keep any weaknesses secret, therefore any actions that could be keeping a weakness secret are interpreted as a possible death.
How the turntables
Would be best if both the Canadas historic actions and China’s current ones would be thoroighly “probed”, but somehow I don’t feel like all parties are very willing of that
Just gonna say for the record that, neither China nor Russia are socialist countries, actually China is more neoliberalist than USA right now, and Russia is an oligarhchy. China is pretty much applying all the steps written in the book of imperialism in order to replace america.
Furthermore, both countries are highly autoritarian. Let’s not make them the good boys of this story. Canada is a highly hypocrite country that was built on genocide and keeps supporting expansionist countries such as Israel.
The US isn’t an oligarchy yet, you think?
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Not gonna watch the video right now, but China fulfills every category to be an imperialist country.
They are expansionist by nature, claiming Taiwan, they use their money to extend their influence, the so called soft power, they lend money to weak countries that want to develop infrastructure with the condition that if they don’t pay the money china gets the infrastructure. That is an aggressive expansionist activity.
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Yep, sounds like it. Backfire theory. Learn about imperialism, capitalism and socialism first before making such uneducated comments.
I wonder how downplaying my figure makes my points less valid.
Buddy, Taiwan is a separatist region, not a country. For a state to be a country, it has to be a de jure sovereignty. Taiwan is a de facto state.
You really have to check again what “de jure” and what “de facto” means. Taiwan pretty much enters in the category of a “de jure” state, since it doesn’t force it’s citizens to recognize the Taiwanese law by authoritarian means. Furthermore elections are a given and so far there are no fraud concerns.
Ever heard Taiwan declaring independence, or being recognised as a country by a majority of countries in UN, let alone just 15 countries?
This is so close to be a compelling argument to use against the existence of Palestina as an estate, it’s funny how inconsistent some people can get just to justify Chinese expansionist policy over Taiwan.
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Can you send me a link to the website of the Taiwanese embassy in your country?
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