All popular superheroes are maintainers of the status quo, so no, they aren’t woke.
Tell me Batman is woke lol
Woke as fuck. Pours billions into helping the poor and sickly, spends his genius intellect and superhuman abilities hunting madmen and women who would slaughter millions if possible. Will gladly use violence to stamp out oppressors, doesnt allow himself to be bound by law but also does not murder. Has a code, lives by it. Does good in a city that is literally, and I mean literally, cursed to be evil.
In some timelines actively saves the earth/universe/multiverse by his own damn self. Ain’t much more woke possible than “save all of known existence for all variants of all people in all of time and space that can or will ever be.”
You’ve convinced me, Batman for president!
Idk, Lex Luthor makes some awful good points about making Humanity Great Again.
I don’t know, Luthor once stole forty cakes. That’s as many as four tens. And that’s terrible
That wasn’t canon. I mean, fake news!
Popularity of memeing on that page was high enough that they did actually reference it in canon a few times which is hilarious. There’s a continuity where one of the first times Clark meets Lex is in detention in high school Lex was there for stealing 40 cakes from the bake sale because the school wouldn’t approve his fission powered toaster science project
I think Red Son is a good alternative Superman comic on that point.
I heard he was mean to flightless sea birds?
No moral billionares. Philanthropic billionaries act in their own self interest.
He has literally saved all space and time.
Hes a good billionare, which tells you that he is also imaginary.
Idk, saving all space and time is self-serving. How else is he going to extract money from the people, conduct stock buybacks to enrichen his shareholders, and recieve gov bailouts
Practically every billionaire is born into the wealth, but they choose to be evil. Batman said fuck that and literally spent his entire fortune fighting corruption and helping the poor. I mean, maybe you could say that because of his pathos that was all still acting in his own best interest. But, what the fuck is wrong with being philanthropic because it makes you feel better?
I like the Orphanage and Mental Health Services funding Batmans best of all. Best version.
A non-woke superhero is known as a supervillain…depending on their presentation.
I just re-watched that movie a couple days ago!
Funny thing. There’s a Simpsons episode where baby Maggie is in a pre-school that bans pacifiers. There’s a sign on the wall, “A is A.” I always thought it was a reference to the comic, and only found out it was an actual Ayn Rand quote later.
what about superdickery
Actually they’re mostly reactionary conservative supercops who only act to preserve the status quo, aren’t they?
The popular DC / Marvel ones certainly do
I mean, Superman’s nemesis is literally a billionaire who at one point was the president of the US. Captain America straight up quit in protest against Richard Nixon once. And of course there’s the whole X-Men thing.
Comic books are books. The characters are as progressive or regressive as the writers make them, but there are many examples of superhero books leaning center-left in their context from fairly early on.
At their core, however, the classic superheroes work to maintain the status quo and support the existing power structures of when they’re written.
At no point did Superman or Captain America stop American forces from invading a foreign country for example, or overthrow a medical insurance company.
Did you miss the part where I mentioned the entire “Captain America quits because he thinks he can’t use that name while Nixon remains president” thing? Or the “DC makes Lex Luthor president during the G. W. Bush administration” bit? Captain America is such an easy mark for self-reflections on jingoism I feel he’s spent more time repudiating right wing conceptions of nationalism than doing anything else. “Cap fights right-wing take on himself” is such a trope that when they adapted it into the recent TV show fans spent hours debating which of the evil fascist Caps they were doing, especially since they had already done another one of them in Daredevil. And by the way, the whole “they were actually experimenting on black people first and then erased that from history” bit from that show? Also from the comics, but more recent. From… you know, the Bush administration.
And then there’s the X-Men, at least on their second run starting in 75, focusing on mutants as a pretty generic stand-in for discriminated groups, featuring a diverse cast and very much told from the perspective of the outsider. That went on indefinitely, all the way to having a (debatably handled) entire analogue for the AIDS crisis be a core ongoing plot thread for years. Alan Moore, who isn’t particularly right-leaning, also spent a whole stint at DC in the 80s turning Swamp Thing into an environmentalist free-love counterculture icon. I say “turning”, but the original run wasn’t particularly “uphold existing power structures” either.
At the core, episodic media is episodic, so it tends to return to status quo both as a political statement and as a storytelling device. And of course, censored media, be it Hollywood movies under the Hays code or superhero comics under the Comics code were subject to strict limitations. But there have been pretty out there superheroes since day one (cue kinky Wonder Woman backstory here).
Again, books are books, and fiction often depicts the positions of its creators. People like to consolidate genres or styles into single ideologies, which is normally and obviously reductive.
You can chip away at counterexamples all day. Deconstructionist superheroes don’t count. Pre-code outsider stuff doesn’t count. Specific one-off statements don’t count. Modern progressive takes don’t count. What that gets you is that conservative comics are conservative, which is obviously true but isn’t much of an analysis.
