Introducing the new ProtonMail
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We have redesigned ProtonMail from the ground up to make it even easier to use, give it a new look, and add more personalization options.
@Echedenyan
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Oh, still nonFLOSS. Dissapointing.

@Ninmi@sopuli.xyz
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Even with things they promise to open source, there’s always too much waiting involved when it should all be open from the start.

@k_o_t
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iirc they still haven’t undergone a security audit on that, and they’re obviously focused on security, given their target audience…

@Echedenyan
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🤦🏻

soronixa
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wikipedia says it’s under MIT licence which is compatible with GPL, so it must be FLOSS.

@Echedenyan
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All server side is nonFree and some parts of the client side.

soronixa
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wow, I didn’t know. searched a bit and yeah, you’re right. their excuse is “it doesn’t add trust, because users have no way of verifying what code runs on our servers”. bullshit.

but does it matter for email services backed to be foss in practice? the main downside I can see is it makes self hosting impossible, but other than that does it matter?

dandelion
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soronixa
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ok, so my technical knowledge is limited, so correct if I’m wrong. I know that the content of emails is end to end encrypted (regardless of what runs on their backends), but emails have a header that can not be encrypted. so from what I understand, in practice it doesn’t matter that their backend is proprietary? because the header is exposed anyway and they can’t do anything about it? basically it’s the same problem with matrix, metadata can’t stay private, right?

still sucks that they’re not FOSS.

For example, one can be a Libre software advocate and wanting to use Tox and Jami and Briar only but if your colleagues, other parties/partners (you work with), family, friends etc. are not able or not willing to use that software then it is not going to work out.

I know, I still have to keep using whatsapp because of my college T_T

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@TheImpressiveX
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This is news to me. What email provider(s) do you recommend?

@Echedenyan
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Disroot, Buzon.uy and some provided in https://libreho.st

@freely
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I’ve never seen great recommendations on this after looking around. Personally I plan on self-hosting, even if it’s not recommended…

dandelion
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Self-hosting email for the first time is not so easy but it depends on who you want to email with and what your emailing out options are. For example some VPS providers offers limited emailing out options where they work on the outgoing email servers reputation, in that case things should be fine. But wanting to email out via a modem line with dynamic IP address could be a “mission impossible”

@freely
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The future plan is a VPS that my home server is connected to via Wireguard. Just trying to decide on a provider. Currently thinking ArticHost or BuyVM, but we’ll see…

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@freely
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Hmm. It’s some sort of OS distro with a bunch of self-hoster stuff preconfigured? I’ve already been running Ubuntu server v20 LTS for a while now as my base. Mix of KVM & Docker stuff for my various needs.

dandelion
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Good that you have used KVM and Docker already. Yes, Yunohost will configure a lot of things for you, and then you can install a lot of other software, usually without much interfering needed. Of course if you want to tinker and learn more about email hosting, for example this looks pretty good https://thomas-leister.de/en/mailserver-debian-stretch/ I follow him on Mastodon, and I thought he also had the same howto for Ubuntu but I can’t find it. At the end of the page there is a “web interface for managing user accounts” mentioned. I also like this, which I sometimes use to look up snippets : https://workaround.org/ispmail There’s also easier solutions like mailcow and modoboa.

soronixa
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I’ve seen Tutonota and Disroot being recommended.

@freely
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Never heard of Disroot. My Tutanota got deleted because I didn’t use it (previously went protonmail)

dandelion
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Disroot is nice. https://disroot.org/en You will get an email alias @getgoogleoff.me for free :-)

(I think for Tutanota and Protonmail for their free tier they both have deletion policy if you don’t use it for six months ?)

@Echedenyan
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Wtf, they added that additional domain for real?

dandelion
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Yes, they did! :) It was the winner of a contest. https://disroot.org/en/blog/happy-2020

@Echedenyan
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Wow, I am very disconnected of these updates.

I think I am of the few ones who doesn’t participate in the community.

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@Echedenyan
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Uff, I left the Fediverse in 2020 with the exception of Lemmy and Matrix.

I didn’t receive very well the elitism of some people away of the Mastodon.social circles (remember that there is a normal Fediverse and a weird one, so I speak about the weird one which is the best).

The RSS, sure. I should add it.

The forum… I forgot about it 😂.

@gmate8
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What do you mean? It is.

@Echedenyan
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I replied to @soronixa@lemmy.ml

@the_tech_beast
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The proton mail app is still not on F-droid. Proton VPN is!

Travis Skaalgard
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It is, it’s just on one of the additional repositories, not the main one.

Elbullazul
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dark theme ❤

Oue
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Dislike

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@gmate8
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