Amid worker and regulator complaints, Google is facing a turning point
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A tsunami of internal and external forces is threatening the supremacy of the online search giant and bringing us closer to a “de-Googled” world.

With pressures mounting from Google’s own employees, regulators, & competitors, @MiaD says a de-Googled world, where Google is no longer the default, is on the horizon.

Want to join the movement? Start living Google-free today:

https://spreadprivacy.com/how-to-remove-google/

Original Tweet: https://twitter.com/DuckDuckGo/status/1400448942853083146

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This article by DuckDuckGo promotes Apple as a “private” alternative to Google. Apple promotes itself as privacy friendly, but it is not so. What is wrong with Apple.

The FSF warned about this in 2019. Any “privacy movement” that promotes proprietary software and attacks the free software (a.k.a. FOSS) movement is not one I want to be associated with.

@Nasst
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A “degoogled” world is still a “facebooked”, “amazoned”, “microsofted” world. We need decentralized alternatives in general.

@Evelyn
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Yes! Start living the fediverse way.

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I’ve managed to remove several Google services from my normal use pretty easily. I actually pay for email now. I have to get back into using Open Street Maps, so if anyone knows a good client that would be appreciated!

Sadly, I’m still stuck on an Android phone. I didn’t realize it at the time, but the phone I bought isn’t supported by LineageOS and the like, so I’m kind of stuck for now.

@nutomic
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Osmand is great, especially for hiking its better than google maps. Only disadvantage is that it has almost no businesses listed.

Dessalines
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hehe I use it for hiking too. But yeah the lack of addresses and businesses is really unfortunate.

Oh wow! I didn’t think to try it for hiking. Thanks for the idea!

@TheAnonymouseJoker
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Seconded. Did a test of OSMAnd and Google Maps (latter on my dad’s phone) on a 50km car trip in January, and OSMAnd+ was superior for us in India.

@birokop
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Is advertising like this allowed? https://lemmy.ml/post/68669/comment/59066

Lessgoo
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Oof for the last part 😓

@fourstepper
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Client for the phone or on the desktop? What OS do u use?

For my Android phone. Something with good driving directions preferably.

Looks like a couple good suggestions on this thread. I’ll have to give them a try!

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Thanks! I’ll have a look!

Haha! I’ve always avoided the proprietary OSM clients because it’s not 100% FOSS. But you’re right! It’s still better than Google Maps.

@Echedenyan
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OSMAnd and the fork of MAPS.ME are FLOSS.

However, in the first one, avoid the nonfree complements and services (Mapillary is an example).

@adrianmalacoda
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Have you tried Organic Maps yet? (I believe this is the “fork of maps.me” referenced in this thread)

You are all amazing!!!

I’m going to try out these suggestions over the next few weeks and put together a post with my experience.

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LMAO Apple shilling post, r/privacy 2000 upvote 10 award material

If one wants to live a de-corporation FOSS life with a smartphone, welcome to my guide https://lemmy.ml/post/54596

@cung
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I really don’t see DDG as an alternative.

@h31nd5
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Can you explain why?

(Just out of curiosity.)

@Reaton
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I guess it’s because it’s hosted in the US on Microsoft Azure

@je_vv
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More than that, it doesn’t have its own indexes, most of them come from ms bing, see: https://lemmy.ml/post/43595/comment/22034

Has DDG mentioned what data, if any, they send to those indexes? I’m just wondering if, say Bing, just sees a single “user” for DDG with all the searches. Then at least your query is obfuscated among all the rest. Still not ideal, but better than Google anyway I think. I also think that’s how Searx works.

@je_vv
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I hope they do. But I can’t really tell. Searx is another thing, since its code is FLOSS, and there are instances on different countries…

@Reaton
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Oh yeah, forgot about that. Thanks for linking this thread though.

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And what about Startpage?

Werwolf
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The problem is that it isn’t free software. I recommend using Searx

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But yeah, I tried SearX and I like it. Looks a bit outdated but overall offer great results and i felt lightweight too!

@ajz
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Nice :) You can switch themes with SearX. I also like the fact that you can choose from for example Qwant, DDG, Startpage,Yahoo (Google lately often gave errors about too many requests, so I turned that off). And if you don’t want or cannot self host it, there are a lot of SearX instances to choose from. https://searx.space/ <-> 90 online instances. Of course it is up to you which instance admin you like to trust.

IngrownMink4
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What’s your favorite instance? Mine are (for now): https://searx.prvcy.eu/ and https://searx.fmac.xyz/

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@Wild
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Startpage is worse because it uses Google

IngrownMink4
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Is a valid criticism as it benefits Google’s monopolistic business.

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@jazzfes
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Do you want private solutions? OBLITERATE. ANY. KIND. OF. CORPORATE. SOFTWARE.

I love that!

It should be obvious to anyone working for any sizable corporate. It needs to be communicated to all.

@Phantom_Engineer
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Android is already open source though. I don’t see how going to the closed-sourced iOS is any kind of improvement.

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The big problem isn’t who knows how to use software for privacy but who doesn’t so leaving google is already a big start

@jazzfes
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Yes, but why would you point to Apple at all?

It’s not that Firefox is too arcane compared to Safari. Apple Maps is just aweful in terms of estimating ETAs and on top of that made by another coorporate that will extract value from any data point they have.

I mean in general:

Do you want private solutions? OBLITERATE. ANY. KIND. OF. CORPORATE. SOFTWARE.

is trivially true.

So let’s just make that point clear!

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@Reaton
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You can still start by your personal life. We all must make some compromises.

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