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not something terribly unexpected, people will literally believe anything that will validate their shitty habits smh 🤷‍♀️

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Here’s the news that broke earlier this week:

The reality is that right now: noone knows which theory is correct.

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Noone’s talking about lab creation, but rather the fact the research institution in question specializes in virology. So they would go into the field(/bat caves in this case) to collect virus samples to bring back to the lab in Wuhan to study (as that’s literally their job).

Mistakes happen, and a researcher could have simply been infected by one of these collected samples before going onto infect other people.

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In that case, I don’t see how that’s the striking condemnation of China that Western media makes the lab theory out to be. The virus is still of entirely natural origin, and it was spread inadvertently. Maybe in that case you could make the argument that the lab and/or the workers responsible should bear responsibility and that it was negligence as opposed to a freak accident, but usually when Westerners talk about the lab theory they think “China was researching COVID specifically to destroy the world REEEEE”

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The condemnation comes from what people assume the researchers did with the virus after it arrived in the lab. Somehow it had to make the jump to humans and human to human transmission, which is far from trivial.

Based on what western labs commonly did in the past (see where this goes?), they might have intentionally done some virus breeding to see what it would take for it to make this jump. From a research perspective this somewhat makes sense, but given the risk of a lab leak this is relatively unethical IMHO (and at least officially western labs stopped doing that).

But personally I find this entire discussion completely useless. Even if it turns out to be a lab leak, so what? Does that change anything about the current situation and further outlook?

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Somehow it had to make the jump to humans and human to human transmission

Could the fact that it could naturally infect humans not be the reason they were studying it? I mean, we only have circumstantial evidence for a lab leak so it seems like jumping the gun to try and come up with theories on the details anyway.

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Maybe for the first part, i.e. some animal viruses have the ability to infect humans, but usually lack sufficient capabilities to then go on to infect other humans from a human host.

Edit: I am not saying this was done in a lab. It can happen naturally as well, for example this happened with the swine-flu. But it usually requires prolonged and wide-spread close contact between humans and these animals, which is unlikely in the case of cave bats.

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Well, I just read this article by Daily Mail, so we’ll have to see what the research says when it’s published.

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Because I’ve heard all the arguments the West has against them, and they’re all either without sufficient evidence or blatantly false.

You’ve probably seen these debunk lists floating around this site, maybe even posted by me, in case you haven’t, bam and bam.

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Why do you continuously use the insult that you’re “normal” or follow “normal things” compared to everyone with opposing views to you who are apparently all weirdos or shut-ins?

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Neo-Nazis and communists are nothing alike, so it’s best to not even insinuate any similarities. Honestly, I think you need some kind of reality check. Outside of Western countries, communism is normal, and the philosophy it’s built on, dialectical materialism, is a completely valid (one could even say the most valid) method of perceiving the world.

I’m telling you this with sincere intentions, and I mean absolutely no harm because I realize everyone has space to learn, but you need to get off whatever high horse you think you’re on.

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So basically you’re insinuating that the Western liberal point of view is “normal” for “humans”? That we’re all insane for daring to having dissenting opinions? Hmm…

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Workers from the lab could have sold the experiment animals on the market to scrap a few yuans

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