NATO has called the incident which led to the detention of journalist Roman Protasevich a “state-sponsored hijacking”.

@soferman
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My ol state minister! I kind of miss him

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@soferman
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Yeah, totally. NATO are big friends with Nazis. They have tea-parties and everything.

Dessalines
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you don’t understand, social democracy is gud, how could they ever be friends with nazis?! it just doesn’t make sense!!!1

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Good work. Now majority of NATO countries are social nazists that want to restore the third reich, pretty logical stuff

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NATO is the US’s main military foothold in Europe. And considering the Nazis explicitly emulated their conquest for lebensraum in eastern Europe on the colonialist manifest destiny project of the US, its not hard to see why NATO not only early on, but even now, would continue to work with white supremacists.

Its more accurate to say that NATO exists to continue upholding the interests of US and European capital.

Some of NATOs recent hits:

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On Media Bias/Fact Check, The Grayzone is still pending evaluation, but is marked as a news outlet that publishes conspiracy and pseudoscience, although being a premature labeling. Of course, we should wait for a full review

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A larger / better study of bias in media.

The propaganda multiplier

@Torquatus
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Sorry bro, but I can’t trust Swiss Policy Research with what they say, being that they’re not transparent with their work. I’m sure you’ve read “Criticism of SPR” at the bottom of their About Us / Contact page

Sorry bro, I will trust what I am brainwashed into. Fuck logic. - Torquatus

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Whatever you say man

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How exactly do you trust that site more than any other site that claims to be impartial? Huge news outlets that tout themselves as being objective and unbiased like the Guardian, Independent, AP, etc have been called out for anti-far-left fake news so what makes this site so special?

@Torquatus
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I wouldn’t say special, I just mentioned a fairly credible fact-checking website, but I might be wrong as others sites can review the news outlet, or have already.

Also: here, here and here are MB/FC’s reviews on those outlets you mentioned, updated this March

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There are some proponents I am seeing pushing MBFC and Snopes hard here on Lemmy now, with this weird influx of Western neoliberal biased news articles shared. Very sus.

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Well I would not go on that far, but he is in a certain echo chamber and I can tell what it is, from experience. It is a very similar story to my Indian liberal/libertarian family.

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I am seriously curious. My Spidey senses have become really good over time at pointing out this stuff. And he is definitely smarter than regular chaps at what he is doing.

@Torquatus
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Yes, I will. I’m constantly looking for the best way to be informed about current events without bs. Thank you for the suggestion, can you please give me an alternative to fact-checkers, which seem to give empirical evidence on events portrayed by media?

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@Torquatus
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This is all really cool thanks for the advice. I should be applying it more because I risk falling into the same news that just few publishers give, ignoring others.

I’ll keep an eye to all these you mentioned. Really grateful thanks, if you have any other suggestion, I’ll be glad to hear

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It’s basically like hearing from a nazi talking about the labour party. Instead they’ll talk about how for example NATO works to undermind the white race. You grose me out, you and all the other disgusting people that propel this kind of shit on Lemmy. I don’t know how things are socially for you with these things, maybe you never talk about it with people you know IRL.

Dessalines
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I literally showed you 2 nazi generals who helped found NATO, and showed you multiple examples of todays NATO glorifying nazis. How on earth can you possibly defend this?

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Because this and that doesn*t mean thismakes this and that. Basic level stuff like ‘correlation doesn’t mean causation’ type of meme.

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I do wonder if you give the same benefit of the doubt for non-Western countries, like China. Or Belarus.

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Correlation and causation are mathematical concepts relating to a set of numeric data. It doesn’t apply when the organization in question has literally been caught praising prominant Nazis, AND had Nazi founders. That’s not correlation, that’s them doing stuff.

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Good you have logic on your side

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@dessalines@lemmy.ml

Can I talk with you over Jitsi. I wanna talk to you face to face. I’d love to do it.

Why the hell are you challenging him face to face instead of maybe XMPP or Matrix or heck even here on Lemmy in real time?

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This is jitsi https://jitsi.org/

I am a FOSS advocate. I run !privatelife@lemmy.ml and r/privatelife on reddit. I know what Jitsi is.

You are telling them for some reason to bring their face on camera. What will that prove? Can you specify that?

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Well, then they’d be looking in my eye and see my face. But they’d be exposed as well. It’s one thing to write stuff in chat or in a comment section, but when you meet a real person it’s gonna be different.

(The way you wrote just seemed like you didn’t know what it was to me. I’m not a native english speaker)

Yes and “looking into the face” is some Wild West cowboy shit you have in your head. Cleanse it off. It is illogical and you can exchange arguments either way online.

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I’m not looking to have a debate. I just wanna see a real person uttering the words and see if they can hold up in a conversation.

Holding up in a conversation, which between two people, is either a discussion or debate, is exactly what you want. And that does not need some Wild West virtual cowboy shootout.

@soferman
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¯_(ツ)_/¯

Dessalines
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No, go defend NATO to someone ignorant of its history. There’s nothing I could possibly learn from you.

Helix
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That’s not a factual comment. At least provide proper sources apart from some Wikipedia screenshots and a far-left tabloid website. You’re countering one extremist viewpoint with another, which is… interesting.

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I’ll respect that. I’m not looking to change your mind anyway, just wanted to talk to you face to face while explaining the stuff.

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Have you seen the Nazi flags being flown by American rightists and the US politicians that cheer them on and call them patriots and fine people? The Nazi flags flown during the January 6 coup attempt and the US politicans that just now blocked an investigation and completely deny that fascism had anything to do with it?

Guess which country has the most power in NATO.

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@Nevar@lemmy.ml

Really though, this is annoying with regards to who the general secretary of NATO is.

It’s not many years ago a far right terrorist called Anders Breivik killed almost a 100 teenagers attending a youth party summer camp of the party he was a leader of at the same time as he was Norway’s state minister at the time. The terrorist suspected the labour party for being communists (labour party being the party is was leader of)

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You are not breaking anything. I think you should look more into european politics as you don’t know enough of the context. “NATO defending nazis”. It’s a whole lot of bullcrap

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@soferman
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omg

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@soferman
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Sure my dude

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