Mastodon really is crumbling — and it will only get worse - the sporks space
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I am 100% serious with the title, despite the appearance of click-bait. Mastodon has a serious structural rot that is only worsening as time gets on. I think this is for a few reasons which I will outline below. Ironically,… Continue reading →

I read this article months ago and I remember that it was a mixed bag, some parts I could understand but others are really weak arguments.

Looking at the headlines I agree with some now, but all of them are totally blown out of proportion. If mastodon stopped existing and a new but worse open source decentralized alternative came along, many people would go there. And that’s good. I don’t understand saying that mastodon is dead just because it has problems. It always had those problems. It will get worse if many people join as well.

Going back to social media where you pay with your data is not really a good idea imo, although I could totally understand if you were harassed on mastodon or sth like that.

@fruechtchen
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the main problem i see is that antifascist defense against nationalism in the fediverse seems to be a very difficult problem to solve. not impossible but very hard and still unsolved

I think I know what you mean but could you say what exactly you mean by “antifascist defense” here?

@fruechtchen
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the only thing that worked on a big scale in the fediverse so far is the campaign promoted by isolategab, all other right wing accounts are only known to a small amount of people and those have difficulties to share their knowledge in a big scale.

fediblock.org was the best solution so far but failed

I think that if right wing accounts are only known to small amount of people and servers it seems to not be a huge problem right now?

I have high hopes for a different kind of trust system, where the federated timeline would be mostly hidden and you interact and see only friends and friends of friends and maybe x ways down the line, so mostly everyone, but when you block someone for being a nazi that entire branch will be cut off from there. A system like that would make blocking easier for the user, most important on instance level. It would also protect people that get harassed way more, they could set their posts and profile to be discoverable by x people down those branches and be protected way better while at the same time be able to build huge networks!

@Nevar
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Through different means? If necessary by violence?

Pretending that addressing its root cause is the only way is dumb. It’s the most effective and sustainable way, but often impossible to do.

@Nevar
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@nromdotcom
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I’ve been on fedi since 2017 and I largely agree with this post. Well the linked article, this post on lemmy oddly focuses on one small detail.

I think activitypub is a fine protocol, for what it is trying to do. I don’t know enough about the internals of the protocol to write up a list of improvements, but I reckon there’s some work that could be done to make federation a little bit more granular and to increase privacy and security. Some of that can be done at the application level, others need to be done at the protocol level.

As for mastodon specifically, there’s a lot going on there. Mastodon itself is hugely complicated. And it’s not even a native speaker of activitypub, having it added only later. So in some ways it had to bend activitypub to its will to keep working the way it had, and in some ways it had to absorb some complexity into it’s application to sort of graft on support for it.

A lot of long-lived software has problems like this. In some ways it’s unavoidable, in other ways it’s requires a very strong community with a well-aligned vision to take decisive action.

But the community doesn’t really have that aligned vision. Or rather there’s a disconnect between the community and project leadership. I haven’t ever interacted directly with any of the regular contributors so I don’t want to ascribe motives or personality traits to them.

But whatever the case or cases there’s a lot of people trying to address some of these fedi issues as far as personal safety tools, federated blocking, privacy and security tools, etc. But mastodon - perhaps as one of the more established fedi projects - is a little bit more conservative about pursuing or implementing some of these ideas.

Some of the issues, as one of the commenters on the post point out, is just that microblogging is an inherently unhealthy interaction pattern for a lot of people - especially when corporate platforms have trained users for so many years specifically to have those unhealthy interaction patterns.

But ultimately I believe fedi is worth saving and capable of being saved. But it’s going to require a strong community with a strong vision. Which may require a new generation of developers making a new generation of software.

Hopefully Lemmy can be a part of that.

@ozoned
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If only there was a way to run your own server with your own rules and exclude those nodes you don’t like or something. Damn decentralized platforms being so centralized and out of our control!

If there’s content you don’t like you can block it.

If the node you’re on didn’t have the same views as you, get a new node or make a new node.

I don’t agree with any kind of racism, but just stating things like this, like you have no control, is just whining. You at least have options with Mastodon.

Social networks are always going to be a mixed bag, be part of the solution, not someone that just complains about the problem.

@ozoned
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I’ll also say that technology isn’t good or bad. Even if mastodon were to somehow so this, they’ll move somewhere else. Mastodon and Fediverse technologies well always have a dark side for those that are kicked out of somewhere. They’ll always five a place for their hate. That doesn’t make Mastodon bad or evil.

If the Mastodon devs were to attempt to force their views on everyone, that would be bad, because someone will have a view that doesn’t coincide with yours.

The best we can do is create the technology and block those users we don’t want to see. You getting into an out rage won’t change their mind. It’ll just prove their point. You can’t change their mind, that’s only something they can do. Let them echo their hate into themselves and maybe some will hear the echo and realize how awful it is and decide to leave if their own Accord.

@someone
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There are thousands of Mastodon instances and some of them are full of gross people, who knew? There are tools in place to fight these problems like filtering, muting, blocking and defederating. My personal experience with Mastodon has been wonderful, how hard is it to understand that it’s all about the instance you pick? You can just join another if you don’t like the current one. Also I don’t care what kind if person lead dev is as long as he makes a good social network.

Problems this article describes aren’t the problems of the fediverse. They are problems of internet.

Lmao the newest comment says: Let’s eliminate anonymity, the feds already know who you are so let’s use real names.

Literally conservative arguments.

Lmao with real names harassment will totally stop, not get worse ;) ;))

@j0ta
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Fake news i guess facebook is a lot worst

Yeah I agree. Seems like Elizafox was disappointed by mastodon and then figured that it must be bad and crumbling.

@Nevar
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