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There is the https://joinjabber.org page. But it is a heavy work in progress that hasn’t made much progress in the last couple of weeks. If you want to contribute join us on our muc or via the experimental anonymous webchat.

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I kind of agree (and the joinmastodon or joinlemmy pages are actually open source and could be adapted), but there is a strong counter opinion by the ones running the joinjabber.org servers that it needs to be as simple (and Javascript less / ToR compatible etc.) as possible. Long discussions…

I think the joinjabber.org website is neat. It’s not overwhelming, clean, chooses what kind of account or server you need for you. I like it

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Ideally you send someone interested an invite link to your snikket server.

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I think that would be enough. Imagine how people joined whatsapp. They heard about it and then read maybe 5 sentences on the website/ app store before installing it.

A landing page for my server, that by default says: “fidibus would like you to join their xmpp server, here is the app, please choose a name” is perfect. Of course there should be a link to a more thorough explanation of what snikket is and xmpp, but let’s be real it’s going to be 1 in a hundred people that is interested in that. Most people know me, know that I use this selfhosted chat and that’s enough for them to try it, or not.

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Snikket (and Prosody) has a special invite system that shows a webpage different from the Snikket page for easy onboarding. A bit similar to this separate project: https://github.com/ge0rg/easy-xmpp-invitation

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I’m not certain there is a way to make XMPP work as a proper alternative

Can you expand on what makes you think this?

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I understand what you mean. I think that the future is uncertain. Maybe matrix will flourish and xmpp will go under or the other way around. Maybe a third option will develop. For example if suddenly 1bn people join the fediverse and mastodon implements the signal encryption protocol for pm’s it could become the new xmpp/matrix.

I believe that both matrix and xmpp have their strength, but what I personally like about xmpp is that it is very lightweight to host.

I hope xmpp will be modernized, aka have encryption by default, have proper metadata encryption, maybe snikket can send traffic through tor by default or something like that or have their own onion-routing. I think that it is a mistake to implement video calls before having very reliable clients with the features mentioned above. Also mastodon could just ship with a xmpp server, i’d like that. So pm’s are through xmpp by default.

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Look into Movim. It is XMPP based and I think once it implements OMEMO e2ee (coming very soon) it will be a real alternative to Matrix/Discord etc.

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I keep getting unsubscribed from all the different communities i follow in movim for no obvious reason. I wanna love it, but it is just way to annoying to have to resub every couple of days.

Apparently it might have to do with the kind of server my jabber/xmpp account is on, which is just … great for ease of use for people.

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That is likely a problem with different bookmark standards used by different clients. I guess you are using some client other than Movim as well?

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I seem to have had the problem without any other clients.

But that problem in itself is fairly annoying as the movim mobile app isnt exactly great imo.

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Hmm, odd. I guess some faulty xmpp server module to translate bookmarks standards? Probably a good idea to file a bug report on the Movim github then to see if the issue can be narrowed down.

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I often suggest blabber.I’m/en it’s a fork of conversations with sign up to a free account built in, good enough for most people that are used to mainstream apps…nice UI changes as well. No technical expertise required:)

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    Extensible Messaging and Presence Protocol (XMPP) is a communication protocol for message-oriented middleware based on XML. Learn more about it here.

    Also see JoinJabber.org FAQ

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