I find anarchists (more specifically ancoms) advocate for a very vague gift economy. To my knowledge, there aren’t any good works on how exactly this type of economy would be run.

Meanwhile, I find there are many works for a communist economy, such as Paul Cockshott’s Towards a New Socialism, or @dessalines@lemmy.ml’s summary of it.

Well yes we anarchists are very vague in “our program” precisely because we don’t want a program. We are against the dogma and we believe the best course of action depends on the actual circumstances (which we cannot foresee) and can only be decided by the wisdom of the crowds of concerned folks, not by enlightened philosophers from their ivory tower.

Now if you want some economics-oriented anarchist works, i’d suggest you read Proudhon. Cast aside the obvious misogyny and antisemitism, he’s the spiritual founder of revolutionary cooperativism. I also thought Crimethinc’s Exercise: what does an anarchist program look like? was really good.

Also, economics is in my view one of the least interesting things to discuss. Because we cannot predict the future, but economics has to make a lot of assumptions. For example, if you’re studying local growing/sharing practices then you don’t need formal economics: we just work the fields and collect food for everyone. But if you’re studying on a wider scale, then you have very serious questions: who gets to decide what should be extracted/produced or not? how to you funnel resources from one place to another without fossil fuels? etc.

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Read some Graeber? Unless you’re characterizing his corpus as vague, itself a vague critique.

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What Graeber works would you recommend?

Probably Theory of Value and Debt

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Who knows? This is something that would develop over time anyways. Personally I doubt it would be a pure gift economy.

The Marxist attempts at predicting or describing the future are a bit funny :p

P.S.: https://lemmy.ml/post/62948

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Marxist attempts at predicting or describing the future have been very accurate thus far. This is just a very vague answer again.

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very bold of you to post such a comment on an anarchist sub lol

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Lol, what’s so bold about it?

What’s accurate about predicting the system will collapse under its own contradictions for over 150y? Not that i entirely disagree with some marxist analyses, but claiming they can predict the future…

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Really? I guess lets agree to disagree then :)

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In this mainly capitalist world, with climate crisis and covid-19 crisis I think it makes sense for the “left” (I prefer to not talk about left and right but using it here because I cannot find a better word now) to put energy in change towards a better world rather than to put energy in debates about differences

I think these debates are sort of useful, but I agree. Anarchists and Marxists must put aside their differences and build a better world together; our short-term goals are pretty much 1:1.

If we’re talking about anti-authoritarian marxists, sure. If we’re talking about marxist-leninists or other traditional marxists then no our goals are fundamentally incompatible because they are against self-determination of the people.

Abolishing private property to replace it with State property, and replacing the bourgeoisie with a State bureaucracy full of privileges… that’s not a revolution. But fortunately we’ve had over a century of leninist counterrevolution to think this through and make sure we NEVER repeat the same mistakes that turned the soviet revolution from early 1917 into a State-capitalist hell-hole after october, when Lenin and Trotski started executing the real revolutionaries (i.e. not power-hungry psychopaths like themselves).

Reading Emma Goldman is always a good approach to those topics.

Abolishing private property Oh boy…

What’s wrong with abolishing private property? That doesn’t mean going after individual possessions such as your bed or your clothes, but rather abolishing the State-mandated religious belief that some resources that would benefit people may not be used because they are “owned” by that remote person who makes not use of it.

I never said there was anything wrong with abolishing private property.

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Anarchist economies must be free markets, by definition. Societies may share freely internally, but the logistics and human factors in supply chains mean that trading and mercantile behavior are almost guaranteed to persist between communities.

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