Anyone else noticed this? I see this all the damn time on places like Reddit, such consistency. Examples are the things most commonly mentioned in Western discourse about those countries, not a comprehensive review on their legal systems and issues there’s.

China:

  • Death penalty for massive, seven or more figure financial crime, embezzlement, and accepting bribes (read: squarely a 1% crime, you will never even see that much money let alone have any chance to be sentenced to death for it)

  • Death penalty for drug trafficking (read: punishable by death, as in that’s the maximum sentence, not a mandatory sentence, and in reality executions for drug trafficking is uncommon and reserved for extreme cases, like the kingpin of a cartel)

  • Most death penalties are suspended and commutable to life in prison or even less, meaning that the number of people actually executed is a lot less than the number sentenced to death on paper.

  • Some places have a registry for men convicted of abusing women, that women can search up so they are informed when looking for a partner. (Not a country wide thing as far as I know, just certain provinces, though I wouldn’t be surprised if it becomes national in the future. I believe it was first developed for the more rural, hillbilly regions where that crap is a lot more common and women get a lot less social support in the community.)

  • Social credit system that works almost exactly like the West’s credit score system and isn’t actually for punishing any sort of crime as it’s apart of civil law and not criminal law. (In fact “social credit” is a mistranslation, it’s actually “socialism credit”, which still sounds weird till you realize it means “a financial credit scoring system adapted for socialism with Chinese characteristics” as opposed to “how well you tow the socialist party line”.)

Libs: OMG THAT’S SO EVIL! HUMAN RIGHTS VIOLATION! ORWELLIAN TOTALITARIAN HELLHOLE! THEIR LEGAL SYSTEM IS DESIGNED SOLELY TO OPPRESS! SEESEEPEE IS THE DEVIL!

Singapore:

  • Public flogging with whips that would be considered animal abuse if used on livestock in most other places. For things like littering and spitting. People literally pass out instantly from the first of many lashes all the time.

  • MANDATORY death penalty for drug possession. Like, that’s literally the only possible punishment unless the president pardons you.

  • Death penalties are handed out so often that it’s literally become a meme on Singaporean social media.

  • Numerous studies show that Malays are far more likely to be sentenced to death than any other ethnicity, for the same crimes.

Libs: Wow! Such a great and efficient country with an effective legal system! A shining example of law and order keeping civilized society going! I love Singapore!

  • @Shrike502@lemmygrad.ml
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    171 year ago

    Yes, although I would argue it is reflective of the overall trend in media. Anything from [DESIGNATED ENEMY COUNTRY] is automatically evil, oppressive and yikes. Anything from the [DESIGNATED ALLY] is wholesome democracy based uwu.

    See for example: riot dispersion in Russia vs Germany (despite both being capitalist), implementation of religious law in Iran vs UAE. And that’s even before we consider socialist states!

  • @lil_tank@lemmygrad.ml
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    121 year ago

    MANDATORY death penalty for drug possession.

    I looked up on the internet and they said 10 years imprisonment is the max for possession. However it is true that death penalty is used mostly for drug-related offenses

    • Marxism-FennekinismOP
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      131 year ago

      Over a certain amount found on you and it’s mandatory death penalty, and the amounts aren’t hard to exceed.

  • @SpaceDogs@lemmygrad.ml
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    111 year ago

    Thank you for this. I only recently heard about death penalties for drug dealers/traffickers in China because Trump said he wanted it as well. I figured it was either entirely false or extremely exaggerated. And of course, lo and behold, it’s way more nuanced than just sentencing any rando to death. My own personal thoughts on the death penalty are complex but even I can see that China’s system isn’t trigger-happy like many people are implying it to be.

    I’m glad you pointed out the issues with Singapore because, yes, so many people salivate and praise the public lashings even for the smallest offences. People I know in real life seem to think it’s a great system to keep people “civil”.

  • I’ve noticed that, they always simp for it as a small developed safe country, no one talks about it being this strict and even if it’s either skimmed or made to seem good. “no one steals here because thieves get skinned or smth 😊”

  • JucheBot1988
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    1 year ago

    Lib thoughts

    Sorry, comrade, but that part of your title just doesn’t compute

  • I see a lot of libs complaining about Singapore laws too, especially the drugs and littering (because it’s what they do commonly apparently), much less about flogging and racism.

    Conservatives though just love that. Especially flogging.

  • @quality_fun@lemmygrad.ml
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    Most death penalties are suspended and commutable to life in prison or even less, meaning that the number of people actually executed is a lot less than the number sentenced to death on paper.

    do you have a source for this along with the other points?

  • @big_spoon@lemmygrad.ml
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    21 year ago

    is really singapore a “free market” like libertarians say or it’s just propaganda of singaporean monopolies?