For the last few days, Israel has been bombing the heck out of Gaza, just like Israel has done so a few times in the recent past. Missiles and fighter jets have been blowing up schools, apartment c…
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It was the same thing with the riots that broke into the legislature. In Hong Kong they were Freedom FightersTM but in the US they’re insurrectionists.

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Maybe denying genocide is bad whether it’s Palestine or China?

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Please show me the pictures and videos of China dropping bombs in Xinjiang, or shooting protestors “armed” with stones. And no I dont care about satellite images of buildings with fences, or whatever Zenz is claiming.

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I haven’t seen evidence of those exact things happening, but you do realize there are other ways to enact genocide, correct? There is plenty of evidence out there for mosque burnings and separations of families. Maybe we can only see the outside of the detention facilities, but we don’t have a single clue what’s happening inside. Do we? You really trust that everything is rosey in there? How naive are you?

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There is plenty of evidence out there for mosque burnings and separations of families.

I didnt see that evidence, show it to me please.

You really trust that everything is rosey in there? How naive are you?

Interesting times we are in, where asking to see evidence for a crime makes you naive. I guess judges are also naive if they dont sentence people based on hearsay.

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https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/apr/07/bulldozing-mosques-china-war-uighur-culture-xinjiang

Whether or not you trust the guardian, there’s literal satellite imagery showing the erasure of a mosque.

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2021/04/12/surviving-the-crackdown-in-xinjiang

https://www.ft.com/content/f0d3223a-7f4d-11e8-bc55-50daf11b720d

Took me five seconds to grab those sources from Wikipedia. Actually, there’s a whole Wikipedia article on the genocide with, you guessed it, hundreds of citations. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uyghur_genocide?wprov=sfla1

But let me guess, that’s all western propaganda to smear the Chinese government which is “totally communist don’t worry you guys”? It’s all fake news? It’s all fabricated, right?

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You are literally spreading fake news right now: The Case of the Keriya Aitika Mosque. As for the wikipedia article, did you actually look at any of the sources? If you do, please let me know how many of them go back to the US funded lunatic Adrian Zenz.

I have a question for you, do you consider the massacre against Palestinians as a genocide? What about the Saudi slaughter in Yemen, or the brutal US occupation of Arabic countries in East Asia and Africa? Before you cry whataboutism, I simply want to know if you actually care about human rights, or just parrot the western narrative against its official enemies.

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Yes, I oppose genocide everywhere. I’m not inclined to disagree that there is misinformation, and clearly I’m susceptible to that as well. But there are also sources coming directly from the mouths of people trying to survive this mess. I’m inclined to listen to those people. Beyond that, I don’t see any reason to defend a powerful, hypercapitalistic nation like China when there are people coming from ground zero explaining the atrocities they are experiencing. Just like I don’t feel like defending a hypercapitalistic nation like the US when they massacre people in the Middle East or fund the massacre as in Palestine. Seriously, what do you even gain from falling on the sword for China?

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Okay thats good, but I still dont understand what the hell you are talking about. You keep talking about atrocities in China, but all you have shown are fake news. I am not “falling on the sword” and I am not gaining anything. I have simply investigated the issue and cone to a conclusion. If you disagree with my opinion, thats not my problem.

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Try these on for size.

https://www.cpiml.net/liberation/2020/08/chinas-concentration-camps-for-uyghurs-in-chinas-own-words

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Uighur_genocide the quote at the top of the page should be enough for any individual with a shred of empathy, but everything’s cited.

If you actually take the time to look through these sources instead of letting your knee-jerk tell you it’s all just US funded anti China propoganda, you might realize what horrific things you’re defending.

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All you do is keep throwing links at me which are easy to refute. But I wont do that, instead I will just give you one link: https://web.archive.org/web/20200829152829/https://docs.google.com/document/d/1d0lynghlCnR6Hs57pypEEhlhHczFVgaYX-TIZD61s_w/mobilebasic

I know that you probably wont read it. Just accept the fact that this is a controversial issue and I have a different opinion from yours.

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I skimmed through it, and I found that it was just filled with easily refutable “evidence” and a lot of it actually casts China in a bad light. See? We can both play this game.

You said my links were easy to refute, but you never did it. The burden of proof here is on you because you are the one denying this well documented genocide. You expect me to just accept this link of a single person collecting all of their “research”? I gave you a wide variety of sources and you never showed me anything convincing in opposition to them. Just a link filled with lots of apologetics that inadvertently supports the very position they oppose.

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Well documented my ass. Piss off we dont want you here.

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