I currently use an iPhone 8 Plus, but I’ll be switching to Android soon and I of course want to degoogle it. Is GrapheneOS a good pick over something like Lineage (or anything else)?

Edit: Also, is there support for mainstream apps and services? Most of them aren’t privacy friendly, but I need to use them for contact with people (e.g. Discord, ability to print, gmail, etc.)

@ajz
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I think GrapheneOS is focused on security with secure boot and hardened kernel (like CopperheadOS) and only for devices that support that. I would go for LineageOS. https://wiki.lineageos.org/devices/ If you really need MicroG then go for a MicroG download. https://lineage.microg.org/ If you want to avoid flashing it yourself, then Volla phone is an interesting choice, and there is /e/ phones pre-flashed.

@seedmarx
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What is the difference between the normal Lineage and the MicroG fork? What does MicroG add?

@ajz
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To add to the other comment : With plain LineageOS you can still configure location services to work (for map apps etc.) but with MicroG it is easier to do so. https://teddit.net/r/LineageOS/comments/8wap5k/location_doesnt_work_help_me/ (Note that /r/lineageos forbids to mention words like Magisk and MicroG hence the “a unmentionable open source replacement for gapps” (= MicroG) remark in that thread.)

@seedmarx
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What an odd thing to censor. Thank you!

MicroG is an implementation of gapps, or a collection of Google-provided applications, frameworks, and services. Without it, it will be hard to run apps that depend on that support (most apps present in the Play Store); even if an APK of that app is downloaded it will not be able to work properly.

A free-as-in-freedom re-implementation of Google’s proprietary Android user space apps and libraries.

https://microg.org/

@seedmarx
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Makes sense, thanks!

@onlooker
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Just wanted to chime in: you mentioned you needed Discord to work, yes? Discord is reliant on some of Google’s android services, so you will need either microG or opengapps on your phone. @ajz already mentioned LineageOS for microG, which I think would be your best, and simplest, bet.

Note that microG can be installed with other ROMs, but that is usually a separate thing you have to install after you’ve installed the android ROM, whereas Lineage with microG already comes with microG bundled, as the name implies. Flash it and you’re done.

CalyxOS also comes with microG and is generally well received, but as you can see here the selection of supported phones is rather limited at this time. Good luck!

@seedmarx
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Great! Thank you!

@adhoc
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Until Linux runs properly, and has a healthy app ecosystem for smartphones, Replicant is our choice.

Jama
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Follow the advice of @ajz, grapheneos focus is on security alone and is not compatible with microg (which you will need to use some apps). You should choose LineageOS, /e/, calyxos, or something like that. Calyx could be a really good choice if you’re interested in a more secure system as well

IMO it will be a more simple and fluid transition than to a Linux phore or even Lineage, and since it is based on Android you can still all the typical Android applications, although you may need to install MicroG and the Play Store (or other third party application like Aurora Store).

Graphene is solid, stable and secure, if the app requires Gplay it WILL NOT RUN, you cannot sideload GAPPS the way you can on regular Lineage.

For most cases I recommend Lineage, but if you’re really concerned about privacy Graphene is way to go.

@j0ta
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My phone is google clean and i don’t need google play/ google services / every google was removed and it’s amazing

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