We’re here to stop surveillance by corporations like Google. That’s why we replaced Google’s FCM with our own notification system. Read on to learn why this is important.

@ajz
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Protonmail still has no app in F-Droid despite talks about it for years. (They made ProtonVPN open source and that landed in F-Droid.) Years ago I used the Protonmail app briefly via Yalp store. With each startup it would complain about Google bla bla missing but work fine. Great that Tutanota, a small team, managed to kick the Google dependency out. (Yes, old post, but good to spread this information for those not knowing it yet).

@j0ta
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Do you trust proton your data?

#NoMoreGoogle: Tutanota is one of the few services that does not use Google Push. @j0ta to Privacy•tutanota.com

@ajz
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Trust is a difficult topic on the Internet. Which VPN provider can you trust ? Which email provider can you trust ? In the “post Snowden” era lots of privacy friendly providers popped up. I like to trust Proton but I can’t tell if that is a correct assumption.

@je_vv
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Imap email services have supported email push notifications for years, isn’t it true? Why an email app would require google push at all? Thunderbird has supported push notifications on the desktop for years, which are not related at all with GCM. And K9 supports as well use imap push notifications, which are not related to Google at all. So I’m unclear whether this sound more like marketing, than a real motivation to use Tutanota. There might be other motivations to use Tutanota, but if using imap (avoiding big companies apps, which more probably rely on GCM, like gmail, hotmail, outlook, yahoo, mac, and so on) pretty much any email client should be able to just get away with imap push, which has been supported for years.

https://k9mail.app/documentation/faq.html#anchor14

https://superuser.com/questions/1066596/does-mozilla-thunderbird-support-push-notifications

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Push-IMAP

@AlexMV12
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If emails are encrypted at rest, as in the cases of Tutanota or ProtonMail, IMAP cannot be used as it is. In fact ProtonMail offers a bridge app for desktop, which interacts with PM servers, decrypt the emails and offers a local IMAP server so you can use Thunderbird, etc.

@je_vv
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ohh well, Thunderbird, KMail and K9 allow encrypting. Some people say that very few people use GPG to encrypt emails, and one can only encrypt to others also using GPG. But guess what, the same is with Proton and Tutanota, if you email to users out their services, it’s exactly the same, :(

But encryption is a different argument than non using google push notifications. It’s sort of a different topic… And unfortunately, I haven’t found a good standard way to get privacy on emails. To me, using any service, as long as not big companies, would do just fine, if you encrypt with those close to you, helping them setup GPG for encryption… But again, that’s a totally different discussion, :)

Helix
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Why is that? IMAP push works well with K-9 Mail and OpenKeychain on my smartphone.

I don’t need proprietary encryption since it is useless.

@ajz
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Maybe you don’t need it but there are likely people in war areas or very poor areas who are non geeks and need or want to communicate encrypted with others. Also non geeks in a team in an organization can work together like this. Services like Tutanota and Protonmail can be a plus in networks where IMAP is blocked.

Helix
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I didn’t say I don’t need encryption. Proprietary encryption is even worse for people in war-torn areas of the world since it can get you killed.

@Nevar
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@ajz
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Source ?

@Nevar
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@ajz
11M

Thanks. I cannot take this web site really serious after reading this : https://privacy-watchdog.io/the-truth-about-disroot-org/

@j0ta
creator
banned
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marketing ? right … point me better email box

@je_vv
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I can’t, but not just because of being the best, but because to me there’s no suitable solution for email services, unless self hosted. See, if interchanging emails with someone out of those services the emails are by definition non private.

On this particular topic, of not using google push notifications, any email client not doing so will do, like K9. And I was commenting just on that, not the whole privacy discussion, which is really a hard topic when talking about email.

An interesting solution would be one where you can set multiple email servers, on computers and phones (so they have to be somehow light enough), the servers synchronize between all of them when available (the solution should consider some devices being down, but at least one running at least at any given time), and the client being attached to the local device server only. Of course, support for GPG encryption on the client side is a must. Such a solution perhaps might be an interesting box… But as with self hosting servers, security is hard, and having email servers is no exception, having to take into consideration additional solutions (firewalls, containerization, isolation, etc) to prevent attacks… As soon as one has to trust a service provider, then it’s hard to say your emails are private, cause the percentage of encrypted email will hardly ever get close to 100%… And for just a limited amount of people you really care, perhaps any service (again, not the big corps) would do, as well as any client, as long as the client and those you care encrypt through GPG…

@Nevar
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@leanleft
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the tutanota app is insanely reliable.

@Echedenyan
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And still they promote and use non-free software in the server side.

Why are you posting something from 2020-01-30?

@j0ta
creator
banned
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why not?

@iortega@lemmy.eus
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Edit: Thank you, I didn’t think about that. Sorry.

@nutomic
admin
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Seems like you are trying really hard to be an asshole. Why not post that yourself instead of telling others what they should write?

@Echedenyan
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Yeah…, obviously…, right?

@Bloodaxe
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It seems to have sparked questions and comments. I guess that’s a good thing? I would’ve never read the article if it didn’t pop up on Lemmy.

@Echedenyan
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