This has been my main question these few days, the ever hyped and ‘perfect’ Iron Dome. And Mossad, an Intelligence agency considered one of the best in the world. Where did the failure happen?
Don’t get me wrong. This attack was a tragedy. But what happened to the security infrastructure that Israel is so proud of
But what happened to the security infrastructure that Israel is so proud of
Sometimes things need to magically “fail” so leaders can get the war that they want, but can’t openly start.
Especially when they’re in trouble for corruption charges and making sweeping changes to their country’s justice system to help themselves at the detriment of their democracy?
detriment of their democracy
detriment of their liberal democracy
important destinction
The Israeli far right and Hamas are symbiotic, they justify each other’s rule and keep the other in power
That is just the thing. It was the same with GB and the IRA. Terrorist organization and the hard-line governments they oppose have a simbiotic relationship to their mutual benefit and the detriment of anybody else.
I hate agreeing with conspiracy theories but everyone here gets what they want. Everyone being Hamas and Bibi, and what they want being sticking to power.
Right now it’s not a conspiracy theory, it’s important questions that need answers before it gets swept under the rug
When you look into the kind of stuff that happens worldwide, you’ll quickly realise that the usual conspiracy theories become tame in comparison to the real world. There’s a credible reason why an apartheid state would synthesise conditions for further oppression.
As a lesser known example, is Operation Car Wash in Brazil. You might remember a few years ago current President Lula was under investigation for corruption. Then the Car Wash leaks[1] happened and showed the whole thing was a right wing legal campaign with actual US agents involved.
It was reported that Mr. Dallagnol had called Lula da Silva’s arrest “a gift from the CIA”.
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Car_Wash#Leaked_conversations
And striking a music festival?
Im sure the old, conservative hardliners on both sides didnt mind that too much.
#MISSION ACCOMPLISHED
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Christ, conspiracy already. 🙄
The Iron Dome is there to stop rockets, not cars and paragliders. (The latter could potentially change.)
Any air defense system is vulnerable to saturation.
The best educated, non conspiratorial guess I can offer is that the sheer number of projectiles overwhelmed the system.
That’s accepting that the reports of thousands of rockets launched is accurate, mind you.
The dome is pretty great but hamas claims 5k missiles launched and other sources say at least 2k. There’s no way they’re going to intercept them all. As for the intelligence failure, who knows.
This is my thinking too. Enough were launched to overwhelm the system.
So the system is ineffective.
I don’t think it’s a conspiracy. It’s the first question my wife asked when I told her about it. Neither of us believe that this could have happened without Mossad knowing about it.
You think it is a conspiracy then.
To be fair, it’s possible for an intelligence agency to know of a possible attack, and not have anything done about it, without a conspiracy to let it happen, if issues with communication between parts of said agency or between it and the government as a whole lead to warnings not being properly shared with the right people or not being properly acted upon.
“Bin Laden determined to strike in US.”
I think the world is full of secret agencies, that are less competent than they claim.
Mossads public image was to neither deny or acknowkledge. It is not hard to imagine, that the world and the mossad itself were misjudging. Hybris is a hell of a problem.
I’m just gonna put a tinfoil hat on and guess some of the top secret documents Trump let Saudis / Iranians peruse had relevant Intel to these events
But I’m just guessing
I would say the agency dealing with homeland terrorism (I guess this is the way Israel looks at this) would rather be Shin Bet than Mossad.
Non-amp, non-google redirect link: https://edition.cnn.com/2023/10/07/middleeast/israel-gaza-border-security-intl/index.html
Reading books by CIA folks over the years, Mossad has benefitted from Arabs that feel this violence isn’t reasonable, and provide intel to help stop raids. I can guess that Iran has helped with signal intel over time to determine who’s calling in tips, and left those people in place while cutting them out of the loop on this attack. Probably Mossad was getting false traffic from normal moles while all this was planned.
Sadly there’s not a good end for those informers post attack, they served their role to keep Mossad complacent, and likely died just after the strike.
All conjecture (I have no intel sources on this), but bad for Mossad if true. This would leave them back to square one on human intel if it happened.
War has changed. Drones, internet and new MANPADS have eroded Israel’s technological supremacy as shown in Ukraine vs Russia. Now it is more risky for Israel to go against their enemies. Already there’s footage of the vaunted Merkava tank blown to pieces. Also, this was the perfect storm:
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The US is preoccupied with political infigthing (thanks, Republitards!)
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The Israeli government was busy oppressing it’s own Jewish people because they drunk too much rightwing koolaid (thanks, Trumpettes!)
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Item no. 2 made Israel lose a lot of support from the West.
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Technological weapons breakthroughs in Ukraine (thanks, Putin!)
They made their bed, and now they have to sleep in it. The balance of power has shifted. I forsee Israel using nukes in the next 5 to 10 years out of desperation but it will backfire spectacularly.
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Because it’s an expensive propaganda tool. Insanely expensive against cheap and plentiful Scud missiles.
Plus, there’s not much incentive to stop 100% of the missiles because that would make it harder to justify military aid. Though in this case it could easily be that the system just isn’t as effective as it likes to tell the people it’s encouraging to move into Palestinian homes.
HUBRIS
Because it wasn’t supposed to
care to elaborate?
