It feels refreshing like the old days of Reddit minus the bad stuff. People discussing hobbies, music, technology and stuff.

The one thing this place needs now is gaming discussions.

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I’d say the lack of retro and pre-2010 gaming discussions is partly because of the novelty and the relatively small size of Lemmy. Since it’s small and a sort of direct competition to the already-massive Reddit, Lemmy users sort of self select. In other words, it’s generally people who care about FLOSS or federation, anarchism, privacy —just to name a few of the things that I’ve seen a lot of here.

But that does not mean at all that those are the only kinds of topics that you’ll find, nor that new kinds of discussions are possible! As other users have suggested, go ahead! Create your own community! Or join an already-existing one and talk about your interests! You might be pleasantly surprised!

Sounds like nostalgia there, I remember around 2006 old reddit was a lot like 4chan, where link Russian roulette was seriously a thing, and I saw things I wish I never did on what seemed like a harmless thread. Reddit’s always had a shady, icky layer to me. There’s also the mass, thoughtless consumerism that doesn’t help things along.

I suppose lack of retro gaming discussion is simply because of amount of users, as the site grows I 100% expect it to be made and created. I’ve noticed a lot of comrades like Oblivion for some reason (I personally love modding it like one of those train sets models people spend years on). On emus a rom community perhaps?

@TheAnonymouseJoker
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I will try putting an effort into !retrogamers@lemmy.ml community. Hopefully it grows.

Zoë Tech Corner
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Post it on !announcements@lemmy.ml so people join

@TheAnonymouseJoker
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I will tomorrow after putting up atleast 1-2 welcome posts

Zoë Tech Corner
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There is itch, steam communities too.

@TheAnonymouseJoker
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I want stuff about retro games, emulator games, Flash games, pre 2010 popular titles. When DRM and DLC was a rarity, and devs made good games with passion. Relics of the past that are still alive.

Travis Skaalgard
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Feel free to create communities you want to see. Some of them may stick, some of them may not, but this site is built of user contributions. I would definitely join pre-2010 gaming and retrogaming communities!

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I simply cannot put enough time to create and run another community, it is a hard task to maintain reddit and lemmy instances of privatelife, and do my advocacy.

I can guide someone on this, as I happen to have immense experience with emulation, retro games, archiving and so on.

@testman
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what kind of gaming discussion would you like to see?

@TheAnonymouseJoker
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Retro games, emulator games, Flash games, pre 2010 popular titles and so on. Could be a really unique thing.

poVoq
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/c/linux_gaming and /c/opensourcegames are reasonably active.

No need for garbage AAA or f2p game discussions :)

Travis Skaalgard
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Maybe no need for you, and you don’t have to participate. More discussion here isn’t a bad thing.

@SirLotsaLocks
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yeah I agree, foss games are cool but most of them don’t even get close to what most proprietary games have been able to do unfortunately.

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But ethics goes first. If you have problems with FLOSS games, participate in their development.

Resign to user rights is not negotiable. And more given that these games are not basic things for life.

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Pop culture has nothing to do with FOSS ethics. Do you listen to music or movies only if they are made on an entirely complete FOSS hardware and supply chain?

Creativity if stifled by anything is a problem, be it ethics or lack of.

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If can be created/edited and the license is libre I use to accept it.

However, yes, I encourage this. Mostly because games in this case are software.

I want my rights when I have a copy. I am in the libre culture, not only “libre software for utilities and tools” which seems the case to some people.

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Even i promote libre culture, but pop culture does not work that way. Creativity expression needs money, and libre culture cannot satisfy the living needs and aspirations of the creative people.

Creative people.have their own needs, be it capitalist greed or aspirations, and they are the generators of creations. Creativity does not happen in a vacuum, as can be seen by the usually terrible UX, and lack of acknowledgement of, in the FOSS space.

@Echedenyan
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I don’t believe that the issue with UX is exactly what you are pointing.

Libre Culture doesn’t prevent you to subsist.

Other thing is that you are trapped inside other idea that selling a disk is the only source of money and maintaining copyright over it which is, itself, wrong as other replacements as related services or proposals to add a tax to the internet to pay artists based on their use have been promoted several times and some of these views are alive today.

This doesn’t prevent you to get your rights and the point in the issues is to look for a solution for every case more than maintaining us without rights.

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The issue is that creative people like to protect their IP, and their rights to it. And that stuff involves money. Non creative people steal the efforts of others mercilessly, which makes copyright law a safeguard to protect rights of creative artists.

Copyright law and patents are abused too though under capitalism, so you have both issues. And then you have the libre culture issue, where everything should be ideally libre, when the creative artists here will never want it, or stop their work altogether wherever such a culture exists.

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Sorry for being a little dick in the comment before.

I have to think about how addressing this issue better yet with the people directly.

About the thing with UX, at least here people who study “art” vocational training (the alternative to the university to work directly and finish as Illustrators, etc) learn the following about informatics: first click, move mouse, second click, this tools is better because double click you apply a mask. There is no learning about the basics about it unless you study some deep degree or specific additional courses with is less common from a lot. I tell you from direct info I get of people inside and their ideas about informatics.

I doubt that I am wrong if I apply this experience to the whole Spain.

In the other side, people in computer programming (again vocational training) which use to be prepared directly more like Computer Sciece + Courses about programming (or you are good alone with the basics because of your intelectual ejem elitist ejem ejem superiority) learn the following about design guidelines: a bar here, here a column and this is accesible, don’t forget to add tags blablablabla. There is no explanation of the concepts behind it at all (this happens also in the programming we learn but this is other topic) and I know this from first hand.

In both cases, could exist a certain subject which tries to explain the basics at minimum but a very bare minimum to allow people connect one concept to other. It is like you learn basic of raw drawing over paper to apply just that in the computer with the complex methods teachers only tell you how to use.

@TheAnonymouseJoker
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Not at all, I am used to a little overboard defense, and I think it is better than being a corporate fangirling shrimp abundant on other corporate social media and IRL.

It is very hard to address this problem, and creativity cannot be taught, even if vocational courses can teach basic skill sets. Wanting creation of a creative generator AI is also stifled by its creator’s creativity, even if it were to be open source. Thus you have a catch 22 problem.

Creativity is not a skill, so it is limited too per artist, which has not been quantifiable to date and probably might not happen until the human and environment is scientifically entirely decoded.

@Echedenyan
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Well, all these people in mention in art use to be people already dedicated to it, with a vocation to it or talented on it. That is the input profile in vocational training.

@TheAnonymouseJoker
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Art perception changes wildly, even if the respect for creativity does not. It might sound surprising to you, but if you noticed how physical art and craft people live versus the ones involved in software Ui designing versus the digital VFX artists, it varies a lot.

Vocational training really only applies in limited manner to the physical art and craft audience.

@Echedenyan
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I tried to show you exactly the differences in both sides. This is why I showed a comparison with people who is learning computer programming and UX design and the people who learn directly design and touching UX design through that. The most near one is “interactive graphics design”.

Vocational training really only applies in limited manner to the physical art and craft audience.

I think there is a misunderstanding of what vocational training is. Vocational training is the name of the same kind of studies in United Kingdom and in Spain we are taught to use that term to refer to our kind of studies.

Vocational training is similar to say “high school”, “university” or “college”. The art-dedicated studies here are graphics design, illustration, sculpture, etc. Here you have a little list for the available ones in the Canary Islands: https://www.gobiernodecanarias.org/educacion/web/artisticas/artes_plasticas_diseno/informacion-sobre-los-ciclos-formativos-de-grado-medio-y-grado-superior/index.html

@TheAnonymouseJoker
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True, in India and China, vocational training means basic computer (Word, Excel) courses, sewing skills, sixth/seventh subjects, physical work and so on. Basically empowerment stuff to get basic jobs.

It seems it means a different thing in Western world. Interesting to know.

@Echedenyan
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Think that is something similar to University but in the middle level between high school and university.

If I an engineer studying at the university, I am a computer programmer studying at a vocational training course. Something like that.

Some people go here when they finish university or high school (bachillerato to be exact as for vocational training in the max level they must do the middle level first or pass a special test if come from high school directly).

@TheAnonymouseJoker
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It sounds like a Diploma here. Extra courses earn you that, or if you did a course via correspondence or distance education.

@Echedenyan
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Vocational training is very flexible in the modalities.

There is semi-presential and at distance modalities to these people who are working or cannot move to the centre.

Maybe it is the same. I will check.

In modalities, it is pretty similar to common courses for workers or average people and the school in this last case use to be called “popular university” or similar given that is for any person and not like vocational training.

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