7 WhatsApp alternatives that won’t share your data with Facebook
protonmail.comWe take a look at some of the best open source and end-to-end encrypted alternatives to the WhatsApp messaging app.
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Although Matrix might have a few kinks in it, I still think it’s the best choice for privacy-concious messaging. They seem to be coming up with good ideas; bridging for one is kind of functional, and I like the concept of federated systems. There also seems to be a good community around it, with lots of good libre clients in particular popping up.
Matrix is ok from a decentralization point of view, but privacy isn’t a strong point of it and if fact seems more of an afterthought conflicting with many early protocol design decisions.
We really need to stop recommending Keybase to people, the codebase is not maintained at all (the github activity is a flat line) so the crypto should be considered obsolete. From what I can tell, it was designed to show off the skills of the devs for acquisition/hiring and now it has been acquired.
As if XMPP does not even exist… doesn’t give me much confidence in how well this is researched.
Nobody in my family is going to configure their chat app to use XMPP. So yes, it exists. But no one is using it.
Ask them to try https://quicksy.im/ Super easy and with phone-number discovery as well.
P.S.: There are using XMPP already, if they use WhatsApp. Switching to a proper XMPP client will be an even better experience.
Will definitely have a look. And of course, I meant “using XMPP on my own, secure server”. WhatsApp requires no configuration, the XMPP server I use is a different story. It was hard enough to get them to move away from WhatsApp, imagine asking them now to use yet another one. But thanks for the link, will definitely be looking into it.
I think they’re aiming at a more general market, that needs a nice UI to use the product. Also, XMPP is not encrypted by default.
XMPP is very much e2e encrypted by default. It uses the same system as Signal in their OMEMO implementation, which is widely supported by XMPP clients.
And clients like Conversations also have a really nice and mass market compatible UI.
OMEMO is not default. Even in the list you linked, half of the clients do not fully support it.
It is the default in the clients that cover like 95% of the user-base.
I think it’s supported but not turned on by default. At least when I tried conversations recently it was not default in one on ones, and not available at all in group chats.
Odd, for me it defaults in 1:1 chats, when was the last time you tried?
For group chats it AFAIK is enabled automatically if the group-chat creator has made the right settings for it to work (OMEMO can not work with pseudonymous chats and history disabled).
I think it was maybe a month ago or so.
If the other side of the 1:1 chat uses a client that does not support OMEMO by default, then something like that can happen I guess. Did you at least get the big red warning sign that the 1:1 chat isn’t encrypted?
Conversations UI can be MUCH improved to compete with the looks of some other common chat apps like messenger and imessage imho.
The fact that they recommend several proprietary programs, as well as Signal and a Zoom owned project. I’d understand compromising on Signal since its easy to use, but how could a service geared towards hardcore privacy enthusiast promote proprietary software.
ProtonMail is run by SiliconValley techbros that stan for cia-backed Bellingcat. Their whole brand is just leveraging Americans impression of Switzerland being a secretive country. It’s not a great company.
What’s the Zoom-owned one?
Keybase
Keybase
just use session
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