• Ratette (she/her)OPM
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      Literally 😮‍💨 he’s accused everyone trans person and ally of molesting children but him wanting to breed teens is apparently cool and normal? Stick him on the sex offenders register as a minimum.

        • Ratette (she/her)OPM
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          Wow how interesting, he engages in pedophilia yet can’t recognise it 🤔

          Checkmate leftist ableists 😏

      • Seanchaí (she/her)
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        “detoxification rehabilition” leaves me with so many questions that I really don’t want answered. But like…so he had to be isolated from teenage girls until they left his system?? What?

        ABLEISM???

        Wanting to sleep with teenage girls so much it’s a disability?

        I can’t even begin to wrap my mind around how no one is stomping this man into a curb.

        • Ratette (she/her)OPM
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          “I can’t even begin to wrap my mind around how no one is stomping this man into a curb.”

          It’s almost a crime nobody has frankly.

        • @panic@lemmygrad.ml
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          I think they try to compare it to OCD? There are intrusive thoughts that can involve disgusting sexual behaviors. But that’s not “sexual attraction” and I haven’t met an OCD person who would describe them as such. This guy is a pedophile.

          • Seanchaí (she/her)
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            Yeah I’ve definitely never heard people describe their intrusive thoughts in this way. I’ve heard: “oh my god I keep thinking this really gross thing, is there something wrong with me??”

            I have not heard: “I keep thinking about sleeping with teenage girls because I’m attracted to teenage girls, I better go and tweet about breeding teenage girls”

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              It’s bizarre the lengths predators go to justify their own immorality. He’s only defensive for getting called out for it, he probably doesn’t even find the concept distressing.

              I’m sorry for OCD people getting trampled by this, I see it happen often.

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    I hope this does not give the wrong idea, but here we go:

    I wonder how we can help people that do struggle with this in a good, non judgemental way. Throughout my time helping people as a social worker I’ve actually met people that eventually told me that they were attracted to young people. Sometimes kids, sometimes barely legal people. They said that they never acted out on their attraction but that they still could not help it and wanted a way to deal with their issues. To say these people are all sickos and need to die is not helping them. Oftentimes they were regular people that had this issue.

    I wonder what can be done to deal with this. Right now the subject carries a heavy taboo. (Comment not related to the person in the picture)

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      There’s a multi-pronged strategy for things like this. Proper sex education is a huge one. Another major stumbling block is the objectification of human bodies in general (which is an integral part of capitalism, as bodies that are objects are bodies that can be exploited and extracted like any other resource).

      Access to reliable and safe mental health services is another. I’ll touch on that more in a second. And also a reduction in childhood traumas.

      These attractions are not a sexuality in the vein of queerness. They are almost entirely a combination of objectification, trauma response, and intrusive thoughts.

      It’s a more difficult proposition to help such individuals under capitalism, but that’s true of pretty much every societal issue.

      Cognitive behavioural therapy is one of the key tactics for helping people overcome harmful intrusive thoughts. This, coupled with an examination of the reason why the attraction exists can help ensure the person can, even if they are unable to completely eliminate the attraction, not feel like they’re a ticking time bomb for inflicting trauma on others.

      There are myriad reasons why such attractions develop, but power dynamics, objectification, and trauma are the main three culprits (and it’s almost always a mix of them all).

      The good news is that there is a positive feedback loop for addressing these issues on a societal level. The more people are able to access help in preventing the reproduction of their traumas, the less people are traumatized in subsequent generations. The same goes for objectification.

      Another pressing concern is the destruction of the communal family. During the transition to capitalism, the idea of the single-family household began to be cemented into society (through violent coercion).

      A reification of the ideals of communal family, that is, a parental love for all children and not merely your specific biological lineage, can play a major role in preventing harm to children.

      Intrusive thoughts are simultaneously more difficult to tackle and less. There is no societal feedback loop that will lessen the cases of individuals with harmful intrusive thoughts (though there is a lot of speculation that preventing traumas and creating a generally more safe and open/less stressful and exploitative society will reduce the amount of harmful intrusive thoughts).

      This means that there is more onus on the individual to confront their responses to the intrusive thoughts. Above all, the point is to ensure that the intrusive thoughts do not lead to reproduction of trauma or harmful actions on others (or the self).

      While cognitive behavioural therapy shows some success in many cases with this, it isn’t a catch-all, and people can still be distressed by the intrusive thoughts. It is my contention that as society as a whole progresses to reducing reproduction of trauma and objectification, that those intrusive thoughts will be less likely to involve the harmful/traumatic objectification of minors, but there’s no proof it will work that way.

      However, as key strategies in employing cognitive behavioural therapy increase, and as we ensure that people have reliable, safe, and non-judgmental access to mental health care, there’s no reason for intrusive thoughts to prevent someone from participating in society without inflicting harm and trauma on others. That currently happens every day.

      I think it’s deeply important for us to remember there is a severe difference between those who “attraction to minors” as a response to trauma and intrusive thoughts but who do nothing to perpetuate that attraction or harm others (these are people we can help! They don’t want to be monsters)

      And people like Matt who spends his days obsessing online over what other people have going on in their pants and tweets weird shit about breeding teenagers.

      • @bobs_guns@lemmygrad.ml
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        single family households are also pretty bad at preventing abuse because there’s only 2 adults. if one adult is an abuser there’s only one other adult who can stop it and it’s likely they don’t have the power or inclination to. and due to wealth extraction in general people don’t have the money to move out of an abusive household. if there are at least 3 adults then 2 of them can gang up on the abuser and protect the children in many cases. of course if there are multiple abusers this won’t work but larger households would reduce abuse significantly on a societal level.

    • @NothingButBits@lemmygrad.ml
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      This goes beyond the individual level. It’s a problem of a capitalist society that must oversexualize everything in order to sell more.

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        When I think about it, there’s always a point where I reach a wall of some sorts.

        I truly think some people can’t help their attraction to minors. But what do we do with this? We can research why these people feel this way but then that might open door to some very unethical research targeted at, for example, gay people. Because if we can find inconsistencies in pedophiles who knows what we can find in other people, gay, hetero, trans etc. And then what? Do we classify it as a disorder? Disorder from what, heterosexuality? Do we accept pedophiles as a sexuality like hetero or gay or bi? Because we can’t accept them like we do with the others, we have to protect kids. Would that make it unjust?

        Sure, capitalism and its focus on sexualizing things plays a role. Kids get targeted the same way women get targeted in this. As objects. But I also think the issue might dig deeper and be more complex.

        For some reason I’ve spent a lot of time thinking about this but I am yet to find a way to give meaningful help to these people without opening all kinds of doors we would rather like to keep closed.

        • @NothingButBits@lemmygrad.ml
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          Yeah maybe capitalism isn’t solely to blame for this. European colonizers used to rape children as well, I guess this behavior has been present in people for a long time.

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          I truly think some people can’t help their attraction to minors. But what do we do with this?

          I believe the first step would be to prove that “non-offending” or even “non-re-offending” pedophiles can be safe for children. Do people seriously continue living their lives and never consume CP?

          • Seanchaí (she/her)
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            And this goes deeper than simply not consuming CP. Is attraction to minors creating hostile and uncomfortable atmosphere for minors? People are very aware of the feeling of being sexualised, and it is harmful to your ability to just, exist safely and be yourself.

            Someone attracted to minors may never consume CP or assault a minor, but they can still perpetuate harm through their interactions with minors. I don’t know a single woman, for instance, who doesn’t have some story about a teacher who made them so painfully uncomfortable in class that they still remember it as an adult. And those sorts of interactions, even absent such a clear power dynamic, shapes the psyche and the self-image of the children experiencing it. It alters how they see themselves, and alters how they believe they should be treated by others. Which in turn perpetuates these dynamics of sexualisation and objectification.

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              they can still perpetuate harm through their interactions with minors

              This is so prevalent in society that I don’t know if it’s “pedophilia” or the way sexual violence has been normalized. I find it hard to define a pedophile completely detached from predation against children, which is why I can’t see it as a “sexuality”.

              As a bisexual I can interact with other adults without sexual motivations. Can a pedophile?

              I’m sorry if this comment has little depth. I’m exhausted from the mere two comments I made, this type of conversation isn’t easy.

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                No, I absolutely understand, it’s a really difficult conversation, and one that requires an entire societal overhaul of the objectification of bodies, the understanding of sexuality, and the dynamics of consent. Unfortunately, it’s also something that I don’t see being resolved in a capitalist society, which inherently relies on bodies being reduced to objects for exploitation.

                I think there are ways to address non-predatory (? I don’t think this is the right term, but I mean attraction that hasn’t been acted upon and is understood to be something to work to overcome, ie trauma responses and intrusive thoughts) but those methods require extensive social care networks that simply cannot exist under capitalism. It also requires a strict adherence to ensuring above all the protection of children from harm.

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            That would be a really hard thing to decide. Non-offending pedophiles exist and probably have functions in environments with children, but people that did commit sexual violence against children should never get in these positions (again).

            I’ve worked in a secured housing environment for extremely vulnerable people and the amount of screening that went on before I got in there was massive. Any registered misconduct would have been noticed and probably disqualified me.

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          It pry doesn’t need a medical classification, only laws that protect children.

          For multiple offenders, I don’t see a better way than to put them on an island penal colony. Let them have freedom of movement, and not have lives much different from anywhere else, but do not let them be around children.

        • IMO, it would only be acceptable if each party is fully consenting, and child molestation clearly doesn’t fit that criterion (depending on the age difference and the age of the victim; there’s obviously a big difference if it’s between a 19-year-old and a 17-year-old compared to between a 30-year-old and a 15-year old). Non-offending pedophiles (i.e. those with urges but who have never acted upon them) should receive help of some kind, but I think it should be focused on removing those urges (as much as possible) rather than accepting them

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      I’ve heard of these people before and they need help but I think there’s a fundamental difference with how they operate (or don’t being the key word) that only makes this nonces tweet even more insulting to more people.

      I’ve heard a story of someone who’s brain just didn’t process attraction properly and they found older teens (still minors) attractive. They never acted on it and lived a good portion of their young adult life never engaging in any form of it knowing that they didn’t want to as it was wrong. Eventually they had enough from the stress and pain it was causing them and took themselves to a police department to hand themselves in. The police explained that they hadn’t actually committed any crimes and needed help not punishment. The person was sent to get help and managed to control and process their taste to the point they weren’t affected by it anymore and could live a normal life.

      Now I don’t know how true that story is. Frankly it sounds like a story used to illustrate a point vs being actually real but I think it does highlight a difference between people who are pedophiles and/or sickos like Matt Walsh fawning after teens and genuinely mental sick people who need support. In the story the individual isn’t a pedophile because they haven’t acted or engaged in that.

      In that case I couldn’t not be for helping and supporting someone to get past that like in the case of the story.

      I think it’s about teasing out how common people in the story actually present in society vs people using that as an excuse to justify their sick behaviour. I’ve heard many a pedophile on documentaries try and defend themselves through that and I’m sorry but if you take advantage of a minor then your defence is kinda fucked imo. I think we need to normalise the idea of people like in the story getting and receiving help so that they feel safe to access it but remain vigilant to the people who would not fall into that imo very small category.

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      I wonder how trauma affects the attraction some people have towards children. I believe that being exposed to child pornography is traumatic for most people. Maybe people grow up to accept these images as erotic because they never received a proper sexual education that teaches how harmful the material is and what it actually shows (a child being sexually abused).

      • DankZedong
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        It’s an interesting thing to research why these people are attracted to minors, and how and when it developed.

        Most paraphilia disorders (disorders that cause inappropriate sexual behavior like voyeurism, exhibitionisme or pedophilia) are believed to be caused by trauma, abuse, lack of proper neurological development etc.

        A question that can be researched is how many of the people that are pedophiles are one because of the causes mentioned above. I think it would require different kinds of approach to treatment versus people that have pedophile tendencies without proper explanation (i.e. being born with a certain preference). The data on the latter seems to be hard to collect due to taboo.

    • Ratette (she/her)OPM
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      His very existence is traumatising but I think he just said some sussy things that rightfully he’s on blast for. Fucking nonce.

  • @panic@lemmygrad.ml
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    I know the type of pill that cures “sexual attraction towards teen girls”. They’re made of metal and you need an expensive machine to inject them in your [REDACTED].

    • Ratette (she/her)OPM
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      102 years ago

      You can’t write the insanity of American conservatives accurately. It just needs to come naturally from them 🤣

  • Christian
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    This seems obviously fake to me, but the guy in this thread who posted that it’s not fake was enough to get me to take the time to verify that yes, it indeed is fake. I do get that Walsh is horrible regardless of whether this particular tweet is real or not, but still, come on guys.

    • Ratette (she/her)OPM
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      Fair play if this tweet is fake but he did say he wanted to breed teenagers as well as loads of ridiculous unhinged nonsense so it doesn’t feel that obvious to me given his past actions and behaviour.