I’d love to take it out for a spin, but derpy.email has closed registrations.

Isn’t lenny the fork that takes out the slur filter? I don’t think it does anything else so there’s not much to take for a spin.

@realcaseyrollins
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Sounds like a lot to me! It allows for fewer restraints while posting.

Lemmy is okay, but it won’t be a completely usable tool until it allows open communication, which the devs are opposed to.

Open communication requires people to be comfortable. I don’t see how being able to say slurs helps communication in any way.

@realcaseyrollins
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Open communication requires people to be comfortable.

This is false. Open communication requires that communication be unrestricted, or with as little restrictions as possible.

Tell me then how open and good the discussion is on 8chan or the other uncensored free speech sites like it. Any site that tries to make their site have unequivocal free speech has always led to being a site full of trolls, nazis, and edgy teens. This isn’t conductive for quality discussion. (unless you want “quality discussion” of race science and other fascist garbage) If you want good discussion then you need to moderate the space. Go to any technology board and see how much they moderate. Go to hobby forums and see how much they moderate. Some may be more lax than others, but moderation is key to making your site a place where people enjoy being and feel comfortable enough to participate.

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I’m not arguing against moderation, I’m just saying that maybe a communication platform shouldn’t have hard coded word bans 🤷🏾‍♂️

I’m not against automated tools for moderation, I actually support them and advocate for that feature to be added to Mastodon and Pleroma. But it should be an easily customize feature disabled by default that allows instances to pick whatever words they want to ban, or to not ban words at all.

The reason lemmy has a hardcoded slur filter is because almost all the reddit alternatives end up as alt-right cesspools. The hardcoded slur filter is to make it less appealing to those people… It does cause some issues in other languages and the lemmy devs know and are working on fixing that.

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Heh well if you think blocking a small list of words will keep people from saying alt-right things, I can’t help ya, buddy.

If you want to prune extremism from a platform just moderate your spaces properly.

just moderate your spaces properly

what do you think the hardcoded filter is lmao

@realcaseyrollins
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Why should all instances by default be forced to ban the same words? That is just preposterous in my view and cannot possibly serve all users properly.

Moderation should be up to the admins, not the code itself. Something is wrong if you cannot properly moderate your space, and you need a computer to do it for you. Either get more admins, or close registrations.

This is barely anything at all though. It’s literally the bare minimum. Just don’t say r*tard or sl*t and you’ll be fine. and even if you DO say it you don’t get banned or kicked or muted. It just replaces the text with removed

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I don’t even plan on saying those words, I just think that the software should allow the blacklist feature to be configurable in the UI to easily allow for these two things to happen:

  1. Instances who don’t want censorship can easily disable the blacklist
  2. Instances that want stronger censorship can easily add more words to the blacklist

Another use here mentioned that you can change the settings in the source code, which is a good start. Not sure how that’s better than just using Lenny tho.

bruh this is not censorship though. It’s moderation. It’s just saying hey don’t use these particular slurs. They aren’t saying you’re not allowed to discuss mentally disabled or neurodiverse people and their struggles, they aren’t saying you can’t discuss sex work and the entire discussion around that, and they aren’t saying you can’t discuss history of slavery, abuse and more of black people in america. They are just saying don’t use the words or if you do need or want to use them put an asterisk or something.

@realcaseyrollins
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this is not censorship though. It’s moderation.

Okay well lmk when you find internet censorship void of moderation

It’s just saying hey don’t use these particular slurs…They are just saying don’t use the words or if you do need or want to use them put an asterisk or something.

There’s nothing wrong with that, on an instance level, but there needs to be an option where people can say whatever they want, so long as it’s legal.

I’m envisioning this new FOSS social media frontier that is the Fediverse more as a platform for all, and less of a fanclub centered around specific ideologies.

If you want the ability to say slurs then go find another project. There’s plenty to choose from. Want the to federate? Well unfortunately sites that go by the rules you like always get immediately unfederated by everyone because they have garbage communities that nobody wants to have interacting with them. (see: gab) The idea of unequivocal free speech on the internet may sound like a good idea to some people. but in the end it always leads to the same kind of community.

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Gab failed because they intentionally catered to the alt right and the CEO is a raging low IQ blowhard who hates people he disagrees with while pretending to be a Christian. (Sorry, I have massive gripes against the guy and can’t stand the fact that people trust him lol)

If you want the ability to say slurs then go find another project.

I think I have, I mean the whole point of this post was to talk about Lemmy.

Give me an example of a site with absolute free speech that isn’t a cesspool of hate and conspiracies then.

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Legal != Justice itself. There are legal things that are not part of justice.

@realcaseyrollins
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So what? That has nothing to do with the subject at hand.

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There’s nothing wrong with that, on an instance level, but there needs to be an option where people can say whatever they want, so long as it’s legal.

I am replying to that.

Heh well if you think blocking a small list of words will keep people from saying alt-right things

It won’t, that’s why there are human moderators. It does do a decent job at deterring these sorts of people from participating at all, which I consider a net good.

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Halce
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I don’t think they published the code even yet? (Although per license of course they should.)

@realcaseyrollins
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They actually have, I believe.

https://github.com/LemmyNet

Halce
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That’s Lemmy’s original code.

@SloppilyFloss
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I’d love to take it out for a spin

Lol just say you wanna use slurs, that’s literally the only difference

@realcaseyrollins
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You probably know better than that, Lemmy bans curse words as well as slurs. This limits the shareability of news articles, is more of an encumbrance and inconvenience to the end user than anything else

I’ve read the Lemmy slur filter many times and I highly doubt sharing news articles with these specific words in the title is a common issue worth complaining about, especially since the slur list was shortened recently. Even then, all it would require is modifying one word of the title. Is that seriously so much to ask for?

@realcaseyrollins
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I feel like being able to say whatever words you want isn’t too much to ask for but here we are! 😂

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The only one I know is derpy.email, they apparently federate with lemmy.cat and they pretend they federate with lemmy.ml. Just make your own server, you must have a lot of followers on Mastodon to join in.

@realcaseyrollins
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Making my own server is definitely something I’m considering.

Welcome to the Fediverse.

@realcaseyrollins
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Does federation between Lemmy and Lenny not work properly?

Don’t know about that, not a coder, but Lenny should be very similar to Lemmy, so I don’t see the federation between both shouldn’t work.

@realcaseyrollins
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I can see them trying to block Lenny sometime in the future tho

No, it won’t. Really, the developers of Lemmy are not assholes, they do a great job. Unfortunately I can’t tell the same thing about the developers of a fork that don’t work well and isn’t Fediverse.

@realcaseyrollins
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the developers of Lemmy are not assholes

A-holes, perhaps they are not, specifically. But their stance on this antifeature is a very jerk-like move, on their end.

[Lenny is] a fork that [doesn’t] work well and isn’t Fediverse

Ooh interesting! There are key differences between Lenny and Lemmy? What functionality does Lemmy have that Lenny is missing?

Sorry, but you altered my words, I didn’t say nothing about Lenny.

@realcaseyrollins
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What project were you referring to here?

Unfortunately I can’t tell the same thing about the developers of a fork that don’t work well and isn’t Fediverse.

Post links of your self-hosted instances of Lemmy!

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