Apple is an anti privacy company, but these nutrition label things are nice for marketing. Worth a look.

@oriond
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Too bad Matrix / Element is not in the list

ufra
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These are the kind of visuals that could make a dent in switching more over to better apps. Going to distribute this one.

@k_o_t
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pretty cool! are these labels in the app store alongside the apps before you download?

where matrix tho?

@TheAnonymouseJoker
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These labels are from iOS app store, and Element/Matrix is not on Apple store I think.

Matrix was not in the pictogram. And I cleansed the Chinese national flag below the WeChat app that the original xenophobic Reddit author put into it, to have some academic neutrality.

@k_o_t
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element is on the app store, i have an ios device and use it everyday, just haven’t yet updated to ios 14

@TheAnonymouseJoker
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Oops my bad. iOS 14 glows I hear. But I guess Apple itself glows.

Nothing on you though if you need Apple for FaceTime or iMessage, those are legitimate needs.

@k_o_t
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glows

wdym?

Nothing on you though if you need Apple for FaceTime or iMessage, those are legitimate needs.

nah, literally never used these once, pretty unpopular here, it’s just a phone that i got 5 years ago and that works still perfectly fine, but i’ve heard that apparently people in the us miss out on things because they are not included in imessage chats because they have an android phone, which is perhaps the most bizarre form of discrimination i’ve heard of lol

@TheAnonymouseJoker
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“Glowie” or “glow in the dark” is a non-political meme term used in 4chan and other chans for digital spying agencies (three letter and the like). Same goes for terms like “botnet”. Sort of treating them like radiation that must be kept away. Maybe the term got its birth from radium in clocks that allows to see things in dark.

It was a reference to how Apple is a part of NSA and PRISM program. So to shorten all this, “glowie” term is used.

USA megacorps create discrimination against privacy in general via many ways we know, and Apple does against any non-Apple (99% Android) users by changing contrast of coloured bubbles for chat messages. USA people are lazy to change from “Messages” iMessage app, so they live in their own bubble.

So Telegram, despite not being fully open and not E2E by default is at least a decent second to Signal. Good to know.

@TheAnonymouseJoker
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I advise Signal (for privacy and security, not anonymity) and Telegram (for privacy and anonymity, not security).

I discussed this little bit in my 2020 overview of privacy community writeup https://lemmy.ml/post/44291 . Quoting the bad section, point 2:

Anonymity means protection of your real life identity, and its separation from your alias in real and/or virtual world.

People that criticise Signal messenger for not having anonymity never understand its purpose. It was made as a WhatsApp competitor, not an XMPP or Matrix competitor.

Telegram and Signal serve as excellent examples to explain this. While Signal has a telephone number requirement, it assures full privacy and security between the sender and receiver of a chat. On the other hand, Telegram does ask for phone number but then you set your alias, hide your phone number and achieve anonymity from every public recipient in the future, thus being popular among protestors and dissidents. Burner numbers exist. Telegram though only has optional, less secure and less audited E2EE, not by default thus not being a perfectly secure tool while being private and anonymous.

To add though, Signal is working on usernames which will also make it suitable for anonymity.

Nice answer. Yeah this is essentially where I’ve landed. I really like XMPP, but it’s a big ask to get a bunch of non-tech friends to get an account somewhere they / I can trust.

The fact that Telegram is available through F-Droid is also a bonus. I really don’t like having to use the Play Store to get an app.

To add though, Signal is working on usernames which will also make it suitable for anonymity.

Apparently, they are coming in 2021

I don’t think it’s very fair to leave Threema out of the discussion, now that they’re open-source.

Only the client is OSS. So it’s not free as in freedom, even though it is open source.

@TheAnonymouseJoker
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Threema has incomparably small userbase, so is not considered even in privacy community.

I imagine that is slowly changing now since they’ve made that announcement. The only thing that was holding most people back from at least giving it a shot was the fact that it wasn’t open-source. I personally think it should be included at this point because it is privacy-focused alternative to WhatsApp.

@TheAnonymouseJoker
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I agree, thanks for pointing it out. Threema was in my hindsight, never in focus, but this changes things.

Although, I use XMPP and Matrix daily, so it is one of the most little mistakes I made in not considering each and every app in the discussion. I will apologise to myself for that.

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