So this is what happened on Reddit today. A guy made a post on /r/WebDev subreddit about his troublesome experience with   Firebase   and   ...
@Rumblestiltskin
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I am very impatient for federated alternatives to Reddit to really take hold so we can escape all of the controlled messaging.

@gorugorugo
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Isn’t Lemmy already running federated? This is a great Reddit alternative so far, just needs more people and content, like every other new site :)

@yogthos
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I wrote about the same problem in the context of political organizing in the “We Must Own Our Tools” article recently. Open platforms like Lemmy and Mastodon have to be the future of social media.

Dessalines
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Very good article. Its soo dangerous to have these massive social media platforms be something totally out of our control, us owning and being in control of these platforms is the only way out of this.

@yogthos
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Thanks, and completely agree that there is a huge risk investing into corporate platforms. Even when they don’t outright ban content and users the opaqueness is also a problem. We don’t actually know how content gets ranked and promoted on these platforms. It’s trivial for the operators to quietly promote specific types of content while suppressing other.

@bluerabbit
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I’ve been looking around for other sources to corroborate this and I’m not finding anything good. A sibling already pointed out a discussion of “NSFB” from 2018 (another one from that trusted source of quality journalism, Blogspot). The earlier article was discussed on HN and it looks like a fundamentally different use case - most likely an indicator of which subreddits are appropriate for displaying advertisements.

I’m not saying this article is false - it does link to this notabug thing which shows a “nsfb” flag (however that works). It is, however, literally the only case I’ve been able to find of “article removed and tagged nsfb”. Does anyone have any other information to confirm that this is really what’s happening, or more than a once-off?

@nromdotcom
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Thanks for being a voice of reason and not taking uncited claims on a random blog as fact like everyone else in this thread.

According to the notabug site itself:

What is nsfb? (Not Safe For Brand) Reddit’s api returns an undocumented brand_safe field for content. It appears to be applied on a subreddit basis. Snew displays a nsfb indicator when a post has a false brand_safe value. It is believed that all subreddits are nsfb until manually reviewed as safe

I haven’t tested the veracity of the claim that reddit’s api returns this value as I’m not at a computer, but it’s certainly a much less extraordinary claim than “this particular post was deleted so as not to be mean to brands.”

Let’s don’t make Lemmy a place for misinformation to spread just yet, eh folks? Try to verify claims, especially extraordinary claims, even if they reinforce your world view.

(By the way none of this is to say that reddit doesn’t suck and they are absolutely just an ad-serving platform at this point.)

@xe8
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Not Safe For Brands? I don’t know whether to laugh or cry. Ridiculous.

Does Lemmy have any kind of protection against stuff like vote manipulation from bot accounts?

Dessalines
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Their goal would probably just be to have what twitter has, where brands like burger king and wendys, who have thousands of followers, send heart emojis back and forth to other brands, lol.

Does Lemmy have any kind of protection against stuff like vote manipulation from bot accounts?

Not besides the captcha signup. BUT, my original intention was, unlike reddit, which is happy to allow bots and vote manipulation, to be very strict about having bots be a separate entity from users. And the fact that most bots or things like RES are just extra features that reddit wouldn’t or didn’t think to add in the first place. Being an open source project, its possible to add those features directly into lemmy.

One way I can think of to keep out bots past signup, is to periodically, maybe every few weeks, log users out and require a captcha for sign in again, but I imagine people wouldn’t like being logged out. Its something we’ll def have to keep an eye on.

@TheAnonymouseJoker
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Just do not use a privacy violating captcha. This is one of the most critical reasons why users see Lemmy as so nice.

HCaptcha is nice, and there might be some other alternatives too. Also avoid CloudFlare.

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We use an open-source rust based captcha in lemmy internally. HCaptcha is def not as bad as google, but its still a silicon valley company, and doesn’t offer a self-hostable version, and isn’t open source in the slightest. Cloudflare is absolutely awful, we’ll never use it.

@TheAnonymouseJoker
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Very interesting and very nice. I appreciate this hard stance which made me see Lemmy uniquely among all these Reddit alternatives that pop up everyday.

One interesting thing is that most toxic ignorant Redditors so affectionate about their racism hatred or love of corporate capitalism never consider trying to pollute Lemmy.

Dessalines
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That’s the goal :smiling face:

@seahorse
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I caught a QAnon guy trying to start a group here lol. Luckily we banned him and his community before he dragged anybody else over here.

@TheAnonymouseJoker
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I pity people who fall for their trap. Most victims often are otherwise intelligent, but only are socially discriminatory or unintelligent. Followers often are not a pure extension of one’s ideology.

@bluerabbit
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Just curious - I have no interest in giving QAnon conspiracies more oxygen - but on what basis were they banned? Being disastrously misinformed, on its own, does not appear to be against the Code of Conduct (and nor should it be).

@TheAnonymouseJoker
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Spreading such misinformation without full knowledge of a subject, and hearing all sides of arguments, does violate the policies here I think. And it seems to be working, keeping those hive minded Redditors or Facebook-tier users away.

@bluerabbit
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I can’t see anything in the text that would disallow that other than “mod doesn’t like it” - if so, it’s rather similar to what Reddit’s being accused of in this post. So far my experience is that opinions on this Lemmy federation are even more homogeneous than they are on Reddit - the prevailing view is just different. Again, this post has been a good example. It’s all a little disappointing.

@TheAnonymouseJoker
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Do you want the prevailing view to be discriminatory, filled with racism hatred and fanboyism, or do you want objectivity without hatred? It becomes that choice.

If objectivity and less /pol/ junk means prevailing view, then I support it.

@bluerabbit
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If that’s the way you see it, fair enough. It’s been a pleasure.

@lavidaloca
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What’s an alternative to cloudflare? Not getting ddossed is good

Dessalines
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For most things, ddos protection isn’t gonna be necessary, they’re targeted attacks. For most servers, simple nginx rate limiting, ufw, and fail2ban or https://github.com/crowdsecurity/crowdsec are good enough… there are good guides for doing other things too like disabling password-based ssh logins.

Good VPS’s will offer anti-ddos protection, we were getting hit here pretty hard until we moved to ovh. Cloudflare should never be an option though, that gives them all form submits, including passwords, all client-server data unencrypted.

@lavidaloca
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Whoa! I looked it up. OVH offers quite a lot there. That’s awesome! Will definitely consider moving my setup there. Appreciate the tip.

@gorugorugo
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Wanna say the captcha is awesome. It’s a bit tricky with some of the images but it works well. I wonder how it will fare when traffic upticks.

https://visualcaptcha.net/ is a self hosted alternative

@abbenm
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The audience trust is the single most important factor in creating a platform’s network effect which is the only currency in the basket of a large forum site like Reddit. They should never take that trust for granted otherwise a day might come when they will go down the route of their predecessors like digg, stumbleupon and newsvine. I can see that day coming very soon.

This made me think about the promise of Lemmy as an alternative. I actually don’t mind reddit going down the tubes at this point. The culture there is awful, awful, awful. The speed at which things become memefied, the speed at which it seems to accelerate people’s ability to forget things. I’ve visited that site since I want to say something absurdly early like 2006 or 07, and still do, but I’m ready to wash my hands of it.

Mastodon, for one, benefited from different communities moving over that became disenchanted with twitter. There was a long time when mastodon was active when I was hoping there would be an activitypub-centered reddit alternative, and now we’re here.

@gorugorugo
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Well this is disappointing. Makes me nervous about the smaller reddit communities, if ever there’s a big backlash I bet it’s less difficult for a big company to push their sway against the moderators.

@ericlathrop
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I wanted to know more about NSFB, and I found this article from 2018: https://penetrate.blogspot.com/2018/01/not-safe-for-brand-nsfb-or-how-reddit.html

Ravn
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What is nsfb?

@ray
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not safe for brands

@onlooker
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Is this for real? It sounds like a joke, but then again it’s reddit, so I honestly can’t tell…

SnowCode
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On UD it says “not safe for breakfast” lol

@k_o_t
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oh wow, just wow

imo this is likely the point of no recovery for reddit

Dessalines
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Jumped the shark moment.

@k_o_t
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learning new english idioms everyday 😎

holy shit

@absucc
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The mayor part of big social medias have that model

@bluefish
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Reddit, Facebook, Twitter in One word:

CHINA

@TheAnonymouseJoker
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Actually, eveything that has to do with the above entities is USA USA USA

And maybe a good seasoning of Europe. China is nothing more than the oregano sprinkled on a pizza after it has been served.

Dessalines
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hrm…

@bluefish
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removed by mod

@dreeg_ocedam
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deleted by creator

@doomy
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deleted by creator

@smart_jackal
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ha ha, so true!

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