I got banned from reddit (honestly feel a lot better without it)
But I miss being able to answer stupid questions and relationship questions.
Lemmy is great, but why aren’t there that many people on here? I don’t get it.
An I using my filters wrong or something?
All instances (mostly lemmy and lemmygrad) are experiencing a steady increase in usership.
Is lemmy like or the same thing as mastodon? Like ok, I LOVED reddit. However there are so many crazy, Whitney, and totalitarian moderators who shut you down for defending your position or saying anything that goes against the echo chamber. I always had this ‘feeling’ of pressure to watch what I say. So at that point, it kills the experience. If I say you’re an ass kisser, I’m permanently banned? How can anyone last on there? The internet is the wild west, you should be able to say what you want
Is lemmy like or the same thing as mastodon?
It’s a weird question. Like ‘are grapes like oranges’.
Mastodon is a federated (‘Fediverse’ due to use of ActivityPub protocol) microblogging (think twitter) software, same with Pleroma and some others. Admins can host their own website and set their own rules, those websites can interact with other sites.
Lemmy is also a federated (Fediverse) software, but it’s a link aggregator (think reddit). We’re on the lemmy.ml instance, which has its own topic and rules. There are some other ones that aim to be more liberal, and a few that try to be ‘free speech’, but are inevitably flooded by its own echo chamber of the kind of people other places don’t want around.
The internet is the wild west
Yes*. Although not each site on that net wants to be wild. If I’m having a serious discussion on a site where that’s expected (like a science topic forum), why should we tolerate someone with no idea what they’re talking about spamming unconstructive rambling about them hating us? So you inevitably do get communities and social circles that do make restrictions and enforce them in order to function, even on alleged ‘free speech’ sites. It’s all about finding the right sites, rather than expecting every site to have to listen to everything.
that’s fair
As one of the moderators on a subreddit with a tight, strongly enforced civility policy, it really is one of the few things keeping the sub from chaos. So much of political discourse these days is either in echo chambers or has degraded discourse. Sure you can say whatever, but the whatever slowly becomes worth less. We’ve been told by multiple users that the culture our rules foster has made it so that the users have a place to have serious political discussions with a broad range of people in a way that they haven’t in a long time. That’s important because many people have given up on political discussions with people who aren’t like-minded.
Alternatively, I’ll put it this way: it’s possible to thoroughly discuss a political matter without touching personal insults. When there is nothing stopping personal insults, Internet discussions tend to be “won” by the trolliest trolls and the loudest yellers, not the best ideas. The people with the best ideas give up as they get drowned out.
I leaved Google and Reddit in last two days. Continue my devalleyzation (Silicon Valley).
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Just reading this gives me a happy rush
Yeah personally I have enjoyed grapheneos
What Browser do you use now?
Firefox is best!
Facts
And searx for searching.
filter by All, but if you don’t like communism, do not do that
This should be posted on the main page; it would help resolve people’s culture shock after leaving walled media gardens
exactly
More like if you dont like the 4 prolific posters’ personal take on communism. Lemmygrad gets so much hate because a few peoplewithj nothing better to do post 80% of the political content. Every collective (reddit) have their hive minds but Lemmygrad is like a small town church that prescribes exactly what you’re supposed to see and think. It’s pretty gross.
Lemmygrad gets “hate” because we’re one of the most active instances and liberals cannot stand that communists are not only allowed to talk about communism, but that they actually get attention and activity. Deal with it.
Maybe that’s why you hate it but my annoyance is more at people who reflexively feel they win every argument by calling the other person a liberal because they don’t believe that the CCP is a corruption-free bastion of good will and a perfect example for the world to follow.
You can be a communist and still legitimately criticize the CCP though you wouldn’t know it from the 4 people posting all the articles and leading every discussion at Lemmygrad
Ehh… I just realized I don’t care. I was thinking about how sad it is that people post so prolifically and emphatically to the same 15 people while believing that they’re making a difference and fighting the good fight. Then I realized that arguing with them is equally as pointless. I mean this is the biggest thread I’ve ever seen on Lemmy and it’s about why it’s so unsuccessful. If people want to have a tiny club where they dictate their specific flavor of communism and call everyone else is a liberal, go for it. I’d call it an echo chamber but it’s too small - echoes need some space to generate. Lemmygrad is tiny little groups of people congratulating each other on believing the exact same thing and being obnoxiously insufferable to anyone whose opinions only match 98%. You’re cosplay revolutionaries. You change nothing and inspire no one but you sure feel like badasses while regurgitating the same lines to each other.
I’m out
You don’t even know the actual name of the CPC and yet you have a strong opinion on it. Banger. Spoken like a true lib.
Also love that you call us not even fit to be an echo chamber yet we are as big and active as lemmy.ml, your instance. Your anticommunism is showing.
Make sure to slam the door on your way out otherwise people might not notice your little tantrum 😊
I wish you wouldn’t leave and I wish you would care more. If you did care more you’d know that CCP is not their name and no one thinks CPC is free from corruption and they themselves know that corruption is a huge issue.
On lemmy alone we have (not including the directly political and ML subs):
- an anime memes sub
- a 196 meme sub
- music subs
- gardening subs
- paleo fauna
- mental health sub
- free chat
- feminism
- trans
- veganism
- General lgbt pride
And that’s just a selection of the ones I’m subbed to.
There’s so much variety and it only grows as people make them.
I remember your username getting banned for chatting shit and I bet this little “only 4 commenters” tirade you’re on is because those were the 4 who schooled you when you came in all anti-communist.
Plenty of people contribute and you lying and crying about it is pathetic. Your anti communism is showing and so is your ignorance to Marxism.
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That is not fair at all. I don’t know xenith but he makes a good point.
Most of the posts are speaking from a very specific kind of communism. It is very off-putting to non-communists. These other groups exist, but when I contribute to them I usually find I am the only one contributing.
In other words most of the non-communist groups are dead.
Social media is “winner takes all”. People go to where other people are. It’s very hard to break out of that.
Also I think not having a huge amount of content is a drawback. Users are looking for that (including me).
Yea dude same. Even when I sort by new, they are the same posts
I sort by “top day”, that seems to work fairly well for me… but I’m not very active either.
For the same reason a lot of people prefer cities over towns.
Very nice analogy
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The other day a public representative for a company withdrew their community the same day they created it due to the public backlash.
This was probably Bitwarden on the Sopuli instance right? Could you perhaps share a link discussing this in detail?
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we had to remove the Bitwarden instance for the time being, to review the flood of responses coming in to us from the community regarding information about the purpose behind Lemmy via the creators
What the heck? It’s free software and a specific detail about free software is that it may be used for any purpose regardless of the authors ideas. That’s some serious fucked up witch hunt.
@Catradora_Stalinism@lemmy.ml Sorry, can’t reply directly. Check out these two links:
Its all right! Thank you for getting this for me!
god some of them read like bots on that mastodon thread.
I remember that post and ooof the cringe was hardcore. I don’t understand how people belived that shit.
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what happened to them? I never heard about this.
Such a shame…
I was even excited to see them join a community as small as ours.
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wait What happened?
If youre looking for a more general purpose instance, try out beehaw.org
Why
Wait, so lemmy is far left? Please tell me it’s not
It is, most innovation is made by people who want progression in the world.
Lemmy is a software our instances are running on. Here are some instances:
Lemmygrad is far left, communist instance, expressing pro US, against Russia and pro Ukraine position will swiftly get you banned
Lenny.ml (where you are registered) is under strong influence of lemmygrad. Happens mostly with a little help of an admin who supports lemmygrad. Although it has fair share of non communists who are slowly realising my previous sentence.
Wolfballs is right wing instance.
Almost any other instance is much less directed towards politics, but ideologically either centrist, leftist or apolitical at all.
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Building an instance solely on being pissed at another instance for existing. They need to have us in their blocklist because they could not handle the backlash if they federated. That’s all there is to it.
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lmao yeah communists correcting the history of their movement is the exact same as a “free speech” instance that has to be trans-exclusionary to function right in their sidebar. Fuck off.
Lemmygrad is far left, communist instance, expressing pro US, against Russia and pro Ukraine position will swiftly get you banned
Post proof. Here’s our modlog: https://lemmygrad.ml/modlog
What makes you suggest that an admin is the cause of the cross-influence? They’re, by far, the two biggest federated instances, and both explicitly “leftist” (which, in their context, means socialist). Of course there will be many users coming across and influencing the posts.
Clearly pointing to this information will get me banned as it was the last time. So I’ll just invite you to take note of this possibility and keep your eyes open.
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Thank you for the correction, I respect that
Lmao you stand for nothing.
I hope at some point regular users like you would help us to churn out enough content for the whole day. So far, thank you for your post, don’t forget to explore other instances and global feed.
Thank you. You made my day :'D I’m definitely going to
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I browse subscribed communities and don’t experience this.
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Just move to another instance or subscribe to politically neutral topics.
*Shameless plug here* The easiest solution for now is to join us at beehaw.org or our friends at sopuli.xyz. We block lemmygrad and put much care in moderation
Every other thread over there is people screeching about lemmygrad lmao. You don’t escape politics over there you just join a crowd of people absolutely seething about about lemmygrad who can’t help but comment about it on completely irrelevant posts.
let’s see your proofs, young man
young man
And I’m not a man, fuck off with that. Don’t explicitly gender people when you have absolutely no idea, it’s obnoxious and alienates women that use the platform.
Tangentially related: I think one really neat feature I noticed on Hexbear (I don’t use that site, but it was linked here the other day) was that everyone had like, pronoun flairs? That’s pretty cool, and something that I would like to see here
Hexbear is re-building this feature in a way that it can be submitted for merging upstream, whether or not it’ll be default or an option that instances can just choose to use or not-use I don’t know though. It’s one of the most popular features of the site and should be a thing everywhere.
Lmao I took this when I visited sopuli the other day, literally the first comment on this thread.
.The space seems to exist for people to seethe. As for Beehaw it has literally no community at all so there’s only like 10 comments per day, given that you’re advertising it solely as a place to escape communists it will turn into a space full of people seething about communists.
Founding and advertising a community based on anti-communism results in that becoming its core identity. The outcome of what kind of reactionary space that will create in the longterm is inevitable, hating people trying to build a better world is a terrible pillar upon which to build a community.
Building a community on being against something inevitably results in that community’s identity being hate for another thing. The foundation of a flagship needs to be “we’re building the future of community on the internet” and understand how human beings form communities and what interpersonal connections are needed in order to achieve it. What these two spaces are doing is making a pillar of their identities hate for communists wanting to build a better world, Lemmy wouldn’t exist as a platform if not for communists wanting to build a better world and recognising the need to get away from corporate controlled social media.
it will turn into a space full of people seething about communists.
Building a community on being against something inevitably results in that community’s identity being hate for another thing.
To be clear, as an admin of beehaw, we are not explicitly against any ideologies. We do, however, have a clear guiding principle of being nice to each other. Spreading hate and degrading other users are not examples of nice behavior and are not allowed on our platform.
Painting us as ‘against communists’ just because we’ve blocked an instance which does nothing to prevent or discourage specific kinds of speech which are anything but nice, is unfair. We’re not narcissistic enough to believe we’re building the future of community on the internet but we do believe that we are doing something fundamentally different, by centering the kind of behavior we’d like to see and trying to deconstruct the idea of easily subverted rules (too much focus on the letter of law and not enough focus on the spirit of the law).
To be clear, as an admin of beehaw, we are not explicitly against any ideologies.
Yes you are, you explicitly block the communist lemmy.
What are you going to do when Hexbear federates? It’s a mixed communist and anarchist space 20x bigger than the rest of lemmy combined filled with people that explicitly adore China, defend, stand behind the position that NATO is primarily responsible for this war and that it has now reached a point at which the only way the war can end is for Russia to win because Ukraine’s psychotic leadership has banned every anti-war party and closed every tv channel that had an anti-war lean. The outcome of this means the left opposes sending weapons to Ukraine because it prolongs the war and the suffering it causes.
This probably sounds wild to you as a liberal. But all of this isn’t a controversial position among socialists, it’s pretty standard here in Britain among the socialist left and if you take any time to go looking at what American socialists are saying you’d find it’s also the case among them too. For example the DSA’s current position.
I think really what’s happening with you guys is that you don’t realise how far right you are, you support Biden right? The fuckhead is to the right of the Tories. Over here you’d be a Tory and this is the British left’s discourse on that.
I think you guys have absolutely no idea just how far right you are and how completely insulated from the REAL left in the world you actually are. You live in a media landscape completely captured by capital (which you support) that maintains a bubble that utterly deplatforms the organised and educated working class who know where their interests lie from any kind of participation. When you exit your corporate media bubbles and see the real left you undergo a considerable culture shock. I consider you, a Biden supporter, far right. You’re fundamentally to the right of bloody Thatcher on every economic issue and my street celebrates her death with a fucking party every single year.
Painting us as ‘against communists’ just because we’ve blocked an instance which does nothing to prevent or discourage specific kinds of speech which are anything but nice, is unfair.
“The socialists are too mean so we block them!” is the most bullshit excuse ever. It is far more to do with blocking socialism and the left than it is to do with the way people speak, you’re just blocking the left via the usual liberal methods of making up barriers that would defacto capture most of the left. This is the same tactic as the racists in America that don’t explicitly target the black community but instead write policies that would overwhelmingly affect them and not white communities because the policies target issues that are prevalent within black communities.
What do I mean by this? Tone policing explicitly targets working class people. You want to control the manner in which I express myself, the manner in which I speak. You want to demand that I speak in your suitably middle-income white suburbanite american accepted manner of speaking. If I don’t “speak right” then you want to kick me out of your spaces. This kind of policy OVERWHELMINGLY targets working class people because it is working class people that come from backgrounds where the way we are brought up is less privileged, where expression between one another is not a priority compared to figuring out how I’m going to pay the scumsucking landlord last month’s rent which is now 6 weeks late while feeding the rest of the family while energy prices have risen 500%.
Don’t police people for how they speak, you create bubbles that don’t include working class people by doing this.
People should be policed for what they say, not how they say it.
By taking on the policy approaches that you have, you have built an explicitly anti-working-class space, which by extension is anti-communist because socialists are the real representatives of the working class. You’ve done exactly what spaces like /r/politics did to alienate the working class and create the most horrifically right wing liberal hellholes imaginable.
We’re not narcissistic enough to believe we’re building the future of community on the internet but we do believe that we are doing something fundamentally different
There is nothing narcissistic about setting big goals. Restricting yourself from the outset because why? Because some mean people might say mean words about the goal? Do you want to be around those people? Are those the people you want to attract? Or do you want to attract people that genuinely want to build the future?
For our demands most moderate are, We only want the earth.
I have no interest in being called a liberal as a slur or by being told who I support when you’ve made no attempt to learn anything about me. This is precisely the kind of behavior we do not tolerate on Beehaw - you have a bone to pick with a certain kind of individual and you’re taking it out on me without understanding the first thing about me. For the record, I think Biden is doing a terrible job and I’m an anarchist.
This isn’t tone policing in the slightest, but I do not have the time to explain or iterate on the nuances relevant here when you’re already painting us with broad strokes. Have a wonderful day.
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I would urge anyone on the verge of quitting Lemmy due to this to check out either beehaw.org or sopuli.xyz. There’s a (still small but) active effort in providing general instances and contributing general content in a less politically hostile environment.
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I just block the accounts that spam that kind of stuff, it’s not like I’m gonna engage with them anyway so…
Yeah, I started using Discord more tbh.
I know! Like it’s annoying. If a question asks something like "who’s the worst person " there’s always some Donald trump comment. Like I came here for fun man
This user seems to have been banned from the instance for this comment with the reason “No trumpites allowed”. Could I get some clarification on how this decision is made? As far as I can tell, it was a totally arbitrary decision with no basis in the code of conduct. For that matter, they are not necessarily a Trump fan, since many people simply dislike how Trump-centric political discourse has become.
yeah it’s weird, they didn’t even get a warning? What kind of moderation is that??
Also yeah the comment is somewhat ambiguous I think.
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Because the admins here are thin-skinned children who do not practice what they preach.
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So subrscribe to communities that are about fun :)
Please tell me which ones!!!
I don’t know, I don’t use them xD memes or sth like that probably :P
I know! Like it’s annoying. If a question asks something like "who’s the worst person " there’s always some Donald trump comment. Like I came here for fun man
- Lemmy is newer than Reddit. Reddit has been up for over 15 years.
- Lemmy is a Reddit clone but less well known, thus, whatever advantages it has over Reddit, you can pretty much assume anyone who comes to Lemmy is someone who was on Reddit and saw some reason to leave. Or even still uses Reddit but is trying their hand here too. At least for now.
- Thus, the Lemmy userbase will, at least within the near future, be a small subset of current or former Redditors.
We all were using reddit at some point without thinking about alternatives. Once thinking about alternatives, there are a lot of reddit alternatives out there.
Which Ones
thank you
Off the top of my head – There is also td-win and voat (which are like, Reddit for neo-nazis) and hexbear (which is like, Reddit for leftists who lack the social skills to be around even other leftists)
Imma check both of this out thank you
There’s also Aether, which is a P2P reddit-like program, which will have a form of democracy for community mods when a community gets large enough.
I checked it out and like it but there is no app
Chicken or the egg problem. Many people want a lot of (quality) content and diverse content comes from many people.
I love how the people in this thread with the biggest issues with lemmygrad specifically are the people who got banned for bigotry or racism in some form when they came over and chatted shit.
Clarifying question: what do you consider a lot of people?
I guess at least 200k
Do you know about mastodon? It’s not like reddit but it’s like twitter and it has way more than 200k users and uses the same protocol as lemmy!
I actually made an account yesterday but there isn’t anything to follow. I don’t get it. What are the top communities on there?
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