Somehow this is the only country on earth where this seems to happen. When talking about shootings involving guns, okay, fine, the US is certainly an outlier there, but every country has cars and police.
This is murder.
So some neckbeard republicans are going to come out and say “She should have just complied”, but honestly what is the absolute worst scinerio if she WAS shop-lifting? In what world is it not a better option to just get her FUCKING CAR’S license-plate number, track her to her house, then arrest her there when she’s clearly cornered? Or just boot her car when it’s found again and force her to come to you to get it off?
Because now you’ve killed a woman and her unborn baby over some God damn groceries.
The headline “Pregnant lady caught shoplifting groceries; arrested” would already be telling of a society that has gone far over the edge.
In this timeline, the edge is so far gone that it’s faded into myth.
I thought it was alcohol?
If this is a jurisdiction that says embryos are people then that cop executed a completely innocent person.
Shhh… don’t point out their own hypocrisy
That would require logical consistency. I would never accuse a republican of such a thing.
Same exact neck beard republican removed is removed about the injustice of arresting the good boys for Jan 6th.
What I want to do is make a satirical video game about complying perfectly with a police officer’s requests, and show just how hard it is.
Throw in mixups where the player might be confronted by armed criminals, just to make sure players instill themselves with a sense of self-preservation.
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They could also have sent an entire SWAT team with a Bearcat to her home, just for shits and giggles. StOp ReSiStInG!!!1one
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Okay but at that point shoot the tyres??
The argument will be that she was trying to use her car as a deadly weapon because she accelerated into an officer standing in front of the car.
Which falls apart when you watch the cops body cam footage and see that never even happened
Unsurprisingly you have downvotes too.
Or, you could deal with the issue when and where it arises? Seriously, some of the commenters here are trying to rewrite history.
She drove at a police officer dude.
She drove away from a police officer who intentionally stepped out in front of the car.
Also that’s some grade a level hypocrisy right there.
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She should have complied for sure, but non-compliance shouldn’t mean execution by firing squad.
Sorry, I’m just gonna repeat that for the folks in the back…
NONCOMPLIANCE SHOULDN’T MEAN EXECUTION BY FIRING SQUAD
I pretty sure she drove her car into a wall because she was bleeding to death. I don’t think that was really a decision.
Probably thought they were going to kill her anyway, since cops be doing that on the regular.
she should have just complied,
I’m surprised there isn’t an automod bot to filter out cliche comments exactly like this
The hell is wrong with this country. Shoplifting is not violent crime. If they flee put out an arrest warrant and they’ll turn up later, in a lot more trouble.
Cops are well aware standing in front of a car gives them a free pass killing someone who attempts to escape. It’s totally unnecessary pointless murder.
It’s totally unnecessary pointless murder.
It’s an execution. Someone accused of a crime doesn’t get a trial or a chance to defend themselves. Someone with a gun makes a decision to end their life on the spot.
Cops are well aware standing in front of a car gives them a free pass killing someone who attempts to escape.
Not to mention, standing in front of a car driven by a POC who has every reason to expect the cops to shoot them anyway. That person is already frightened and likely panicked and not thinking clearly. Putting yourself in front of a car with a panicked driver who is justifiably in fear for their life is incredibly stupid.
Also, what is with cops just repeating the same command over and over again and refusing to otherwise interact with the person. Are they trying to make the situation worse? Why not try and de-escalate the situation. Oh, that’s right, they want a reason to shoot people.
Are they trying to make the situation worse?
Yes, because it lets them use lethal force like the jack booted thugs they want to be.
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Cops are well aware standing in front of a car gives them a free pass killing someone
This “technique” has been demonstrated enough that frankly, I think that any rational person would conclude that in any situation where a cop walks in front of your car, you’re better off just gunning it before the cop has a chance to extrajudicially execute you first. If they walk in front of your car, it’s clear they’re just itching to murder you. The threat has been made, you should fear for your life. It’s you or them.
That’s not unreasonable. Maybe under Montana common law argument would work.
I think that any rational person would conclude that in any situation where a cop walks in front of your car, you’re better off just gunning it before the cop has a chance to extrajudicially execute you first.
Who upvotes this crap? This is worse than reddit.
Debate it.
Running from police in a high crime area used to be considered probable cause.
That’s changing now because running from police in a high crime area is an eminently reasonable thing to do even if you’re innocent.
If the tactic is demonstrably employed as a pretextual justification to kill nonviolent criminal suspects, than it’s reasonable to say that statutory law of resisting arrest should be the thing that breaks, not the natural law of self defense.
You want me to debate against someone saying you should floor it any time police walk in front of your car??
Nah. If a pig wants to kill me, I’m doing my damndest to make sure it comes with me
If you floor it and run into a cop just because they walk in front of your car, you deserve to get shot because the cop would be defending themselves.
If dude’s aiming a gun at my face cause of some groceries?? He deserves what he gets.
Maybe try de-escalating instead of over-escalating. In NO situation should a suspected shoplifting end in a murder.
If she tried to run, guess what? They can literally just track her down and move to arrest when lives aren’t in danger.
He unnecessarily and intentionally put himself in harm’s way, in an intense situation with a terrified suspect. He knew what he was doing.
Fuck off with your tyrant apologia bullshit.
You’re a violent moron.
Holy fucking irony.
Oh, oof, owwie
I can’t think of any other reason for a cop to place himself in front of a car. It’s dangerous and it’s not going to stop a car. It really only can be to provide an excuse for deadly force.
So every time a cop steps in front of someone’s car they’re planning on executing them…
Why do you all care so much if you’re upvoted or not?
Yeah it didn’t take long, every thread is filled with this bullshit
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That’s what happens when your cops aren’t trained in de-escalation.
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To anyone saying she tried to run over the officer, please watch the body cam footage. She is turning the wheel as much as possible to steer the vehicle away from the officer. On top of that, she pulled forward very slowly. If you were trying to run someone over, you would not give them every opportunity to avoid being hit by the vehicle.
Stop licking boots
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I do not understand why it is so common for police in this country to stand in front of a car and then shoot the driver when the car moves. It’s a manufactured danger and really does not seem like a smart idea to use your weapon to put a corpse in control of a heavy machine.
What’s not to understand? Their goal is the expression of power, the suspect’s escape is completely non optional to them. They are not trained in de-escalation.
So, by placing their body on the line (in the path of the giant metal machine), they are essentially saying “obey me, or you are willing to kill me if you try to escape”. So if you try to escape, you are willing to kill them. So if you are willing to kill them, they are free to defend themselves.
It is crazy, but consistent logic.
Remember they aren’t there to help, or protect, but to enforce.
They stand in front so that they can shoot the driver.
You can’t play chicken with someone and then shoot them if you get scared. You have to either swerve or get hit, that’s why it’s called chicken.
They don’t care as long as they get to murder someone.
You do understand why. What you said is exactly why. They are manufacturing a danger so that they are legally allowed to use lethal force against anyone for any small crime. All the police do in the USA is escalate, escalate, escalate
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Because they can, and bootlickers will make excuses for them
Getting shot over shoplifting is insane.
The usa is fucked beyond saving
American fascists continue to prove their belief that property damage isn’t an acceptable response to murder, but murder is an acceptable response to property damage.
Couldn’t have said it any better
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Woman scared for her life because officers immediately pointed guns at her for no reason is proven correct when killed by officers for no reason. Just another day in America. Cops just love pulling their guns and using them for no good reason. The only time a cop should be pointing a gun at someone like this is if their life is in immediate danger from that person.
How would society feel if these weren’t cops? If a guy just runs up to your car pointing a pistol at your head you aren’t going to be calm and rational. It’s bullshit we expect anyone to be.
You can’t justify her running from the cops, that was wrong but no where near as wrong as killing her for doing so
I mean, I kinda can. We’ve all seen too many videos where police officers pull people out of cars in these situations, she was pregnant… People of color end up dead on the ground outside of that car even if they did nothing wrong, all the time. Even more commonly they get thrown around and beaten. Pregnant woman don’t normally want to get thrown around or beaten.
OK, but what’s plan B? Running from the police just makes them angrier.
I want to posit first that this is a satirical answer, and I am not encouraging this in the slightest, just that this might be the “cornered logic” equation that is given to suspects being confronted by police:
Plan B: You whip out a pistol you bought from the gun store, shoot all of the cops that are about to shoot you, and drive off to go live in a different state so it’s hard to follow you.
I would hope and predict that most people committing petty crimes like shoplifting or drugs would not want to hurt anyone, much less a cop, but when that is THE ONLY answer you can give that has a strong chance of survival in the face of the articles everyone has seen, it begs the need for a different answer - one in which there is ZERO chance of a cop killing an unarmed person for petty crime, and attempted evasion of arrest for said petty crime.
But one has a decent chance of getting away from them…
Uhh no I can 100% justify running from cops. Some of them are totally unhinged with a total lack of accountability.
This incident is exactly why that’s justified. Her life was in danger, that cop was clearly itching for a reason to kill her or he wouldn’t have stepped in front of the car. She ran because it was probably her best chance of not getting killed
When the police are increasingly known and proven to kill people for next to no reason at all, it’s quite difficult to blame a person for being afraid of them when confronted.
Your best chance regardless of race or economic status is to comply so they don’t get hot headed, not to mention its the legally correct thing to do
when killed by officers for no reason
Besides trying to run one of them over, you mean? Kinda leaving out some details here.
You watch the video?.. Cars get closer to killing me in a parking lot once a month or more. He easily moved out of the way after murdering her. The car was barely moving.
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Bootlicker
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Tasty tasty piggy boot rubber, mmmm, taser me daddy law
How should this have been handles instead? If she really really doesn’t want to comply, You write down her license place, and you let her go.
That simple.
You have her face on video, you have the license plate, it’s trivial to then go visit her at her home and have a talk. Hell, follow her if you have to, but not in a high speed chase. Just keep your distance, let her go where she wants to go until she’s done.
Worst case scenario, you just let her go.
This extreme focus on that every petty little thing MUST be stopped, every small time offender MUST comply only ends in this. Suffering.
Instead focus on fixing poverty and you know, making sure that pregnant women have all they need so that they don’t need to steal? That is why we banned abortion, no? Because we care about babies?
Oh yeah that’s right. We care about unborn fetuses, but born babies can get fucked.
Let this woman have an abortion if she can’t afford a baby. Now she doesn’t need to shoplift, at least not for the baby
Lift people out of poverty. Push people to be better educated. THOSE are things that will actually lower crime rates but then it means they ml o longer are the common pulp that can stand on
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I wonder if the cop will be prosecuted for providing an unlawful abortion.
I mean, could he not just have taken the license plate number then sent agents to go knock on her door later? This is shoplifting, not armed robbery.
As the fetus is now legally a person and did nothing wrong the officer who fired the shots should be arrested for homicide.
So double murder and illegal abortion too.
I bet you could probably trick some pro lifers into pursuing this. There’s enough true believers.
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Is this where society is heading? Rampant theft resolved with murder to save corporations?
To them, this probably sounds easier than lowering prices, reducing CEO’s millions in pay and propping up stock prices.
The governor of Florida and presidential hopeful said looters will be shot on sight. So no, it’s not where we’re headed because we’ve passed that destination and it’s normal. Property is firmly above people.
There’s a reason why Militech and Arasaka are the biggest players in the cyberpunk rpg universe. Once corporatocracy reigns supreme and public funding is gone they reap profits off private security, as intended. We’re just now seeing the horizon of “defund the police” becoming “hire a PMC as your ‘police force’”
this may surprise you, but the police started out as PMC union-busting operations
Oh lol I’m totally aware. There was a time in history where striking didn’t mean you’d be fired but instead fired upon. Just sucks to see it now coming back full circle
Reminds me of the news in cyberpunk 2077 telling how “warning shots to the knee” became legal for police
Yes. To get back to normality, we must pass through this extreme, which is the necessary counter to defunding and demonizing the police as opposed to holding only the bad ones responsible for their actions. We’ll be in this state until we remove qualified immunity. So it will probably take a while.
that’s some nazi ass bullshit right there holy shit
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Oh yeah, sure, they increase prices because of “theft.” They’re honest corporations who would never increase prices for another reason like greed or price gouging.
Just the fact she has to shoplift probably also means she has very little money or is struggling to get buy on her sallery. She’s getting a baby soon and is maybe trying to save up because the US has no proper help to offer. Being shot and murdered by the police for a relatively harmles crime is beyond crazy for a society to accept. The policeman should be arrested for murder and abuse of power and Final put behind bars
OMG, I saw this story on FB, AND every fucking comment was praising the cop! Telling her she deserved it for trying to run away… things like she would have been a terrible mom anyways… just some awful things while the run their hard ons for the cops… It was sickening… I am 23 weeks pregnant with my second son right now and watching people praise her death because she stole something is so bizarre and jarring… I’m pregnant… What if this was a misunderstanding and he had bad information… she didn’t steal a thing and scared of cops tried to get away and now she is dead… Cops are fuckiing scary but not as much as people who want this outcome for stealing some groceries
Edit: some of these comments defending the cop, who put his life in danger on his own so he could have the excuse to kill her, is chilling… You are the reason I made my comment and the reason why I am getting scared of my community… because too many of the people in society want to see someone from some group they hate, hurt or dead by police… Fucking sickening. Shoplifting is not an excuse to use lethal force to stop anyone… the punishment doesn’t fit the crime… people saying it does, are rabid dogs who wish it was them in the cops shoes, feeling powerful… and that’s even more sickening. She left behind a 6 year old because thd pig couldnt have figured out another way to handle the situation… he failed a basic IQ test and too many people are like… “Kay, cool”. Idiocracy was and is a fucking a documentary and y’all just want a gladiator type entertainment with your own people
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Well that’s a shity outlook when the cop was trying stage a suicide to have a reason to fire his gun… again he put him self there by choice, he could have chose to move aside and track her… but he chose a method that he could abuse for the reason to fire his gun and punish her for testing his authority… Is sad you can’t see or understand that… or that you are okay with being shot… But during the protests, when people would zoom their cars in to.the crowds to get away from the people, was totally justified… the irony is insane…
His job is to stop and detain that person. It’s not really a choice.
I don’t know how you can remotely justify driving off when asked to get out of the vehicle. It’s an insane position.
She escalated from simple shoplifting to assault…if we want to talk about suicides…that’s a way to do it I guess.
If his job is to stop and detain, he failed his job.
I disagree.
I hope you get to have an interaction with a cop that shatters your sheltered views, as i did. Of course that you live to tell others as well.
I shrug…I had a cop draw on me. I followed directions and I’m still alive. I didn’t burn down the city because I did something stupid.
I had a cop draw on me.
I’d like to hear more about this.
Yeah wtf, she should have left a thin blue streak on the asphalt
Trying to run over an officer, you mean? She didn’t just try and run away, she drove directly towards a police officer.
You really need to reevaluate your thinking if you think untrained civilians have a higher burden than supposedly trained professionals, especially after watching that video
If only cops weren’t rooted to the ground and could jump out of the way of a car…
It would be ideal if she didn’t try and kill him in the first place though.
Always interesting that people demand average citizens behave more reasonably than so-called trained police. It’s like you accept the presumption that any cop is likely to overreact in murder, therefore the onus is on US not to escalate situations. Interesting how the apologists don’t think cops bear any responsibility for de-escalation.
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You’re being disingenuous Monday morning qb’ing. Police are supposedly trained in de-escalation. I am not excusing the behavior, but I can understand a random untrained citizen having fear and unpredictable bad decision-making in a situation like this. Whereas the cops absolutely have countless other things they could do that are calmer and more de-escalating.
Ultimately, basic theft isn’t worth death. The problem is that cops have unilaterally decided it is completely unacceptable to not listen to them, up to death. They could have followed her. They could have let her go. There are numerous alternatives that could have happened. Cops in America have endlessly shown they are trigger happy twitchy and rushing to escalate.
The burden is on trained police to behave better than a random person does. This doesn’t excuse her behavior. But the cops are NOT justified either.
I understand this nuance is lost on most.
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You keep saying that. "Trying to run over ". No fucking way you could convince me that she wanted to run over that cop! If she wanted him dead, why didn’t she just punch it? Floor the peddle and turn the wheel toward him.
How about maybe the police firstly don’t escalate the situation to that point because she was just accused of shoplifting and secondly don’t jump in front of her car in the first place?
Don’t they spend like 1000 hours training people about all the safety precautions of a standard road stop, since it has about a dozen dangers - and “standing directly in front of a suspect’s vehicle” ranks somewhere among the dumbest things you can do?
Heck, I caution myself against doing it even when walking around the city, even if all I want to do is warn someone about an obstacle. I’m no freaking roadblock.
She cranked the wheel all the way away from him. She was trying to go around. Officer “no self preservation” was a dipshit and blocked in a two ton machine with his own body.
Yeah, did people not even watch the footage? You’d have to be braindead to try anything like that to cops nowadays, it’s a death sentence
What exactly do you mean by "cops nowadays*?
Do you mean do not try that because they will shoot at your for close to no reason?
Or do you mean cops are extremely dangerous, just be the most agreeable prey they come across.
Let’s do a quick test, you see a car driving at you 60mph, the only thing you have is your gun, and your legs.
You can:
A) get out of the way and live
B) shoot the driver (which would not at all stop the car)
Now let’s try this stupid shit one more time at 5mph.
There is ZERO reason to discharge a firearm at this person, for evading arrest, shoplifting, etc. This is an UNARMED PREGNANT WOMAN.
Imagine thinking this is the right way to handle this you fucking animal.
Doesn’t matter in the slightest if this is the “right way to handle this”, it’s the reality of the situation where it’s pretty well documented that they’re going to choose their lives over yours if you give them a reason to (say for example driving your car directly at them like a braindead moron)
bro she was driving slower than I can run. The cop quite literally put himself in front of the car to give himself a justification for killing her.
… You take two steps to the left to move out of the way of the car, or, here’s a fantastic idea, you don’t step out in front of a fucking car in the first place???
Well, either way, Ohio has a no excuses abortion law, so the officer needs to be charged.
Doesn’t matter? This woman was almost a child herself, she lost her life at 21 years old over a bunch of power tripping cops. How fucking dare you. You need to reevaluate what matters.
Part of being a an officer is being able to keep your shit together when civilians do not. Don’t sit here and act like you’d think rationally while a bunch of guns are pointed at you knowing damn well your chances of survival are significantly lower just because your skin is a different color. I seriously cannot grasp how you’re okay writing these comments. You should be ashamed of yourself, seriously.
“Cops are likely to murder you, and we just accept this, so act accordingly.”
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Yep and for people in the US they should been keenly aware that there’s a non zero possibly of being shot by police if they feel threatened. That’s just how it is.
Almost anyone in the US will shoot you if threatened though.
