Brian
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Not being terribly active with Fedora these days, I was surprised Adam was still actively working on Xorg (though I guess with Red Hat having to support RHEL I shouldn’t have been). I agree with him that killing off Xorg will definitely help Wayland down the road.

Maintainer: “I’m tired of maintaining this code because maintaining code isn’t considered sexy or glamorous, I’m going to put all my effort behind Wayland which is still a buggy, incomplete, problematic mess twelve years after its inception and just say Xorg is dead because I want attention.”

Shut it. Go maintain Xorg until you can do better. Wayland is not better. Let Wayland die. You’ve tried to force it down our throats for years now and no one is buying it.

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Ephera
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How are you going to fix that, unless people stop using the proprietary Nvidia drivers?

Every desktop environment would have to implement EGLStreams support in addition to GBM support, which is what everyone is using.

And as far as I’m aware, no desktop environment devs wanted to that yet – it was Nvidia, who contributed patches to Weston, GNOME and KDE.

So, that means two things:

  1. Nvidia is very unlikely to do that for smaller desktops, and those smaller desktops don’t have the resources to implement that themselves. So, for the foreseeable future, if you’re buying Nvidia, you’re locking yourself into KDE and GNOME (+ maybe some GNOME forks, like Budgie and Cinnamon).
  2. The core devs of GNOME and KDE aren’t too familiar with the EGLStreams-related code and if Nvidia doesn’t continue to maintain it, it’s going to take a long time for bugs to get fixed.
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@muesli
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How about not buying Nvidia cards and voting with your wallet?

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Ephera
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It depends on a lot of different factors, but you may be able to ride out your Nvidia card on X11, up until you would buy a new GPU anyways, and then buy an AMD card.
Like, X.org isn’t going to disappear by tomorrow, just because it’s unmaintained now. Many, or even most, games still target it primarily.

It will be interesting with laptops. Many high-end models only come with Nvidia chips and will likely continue to, because those problems are not as big on Windows.
But yeah, still, I would avoid betting on Nvidia for the foreseeable future, as much as possible. I don’t think there is a better solution.

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