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Element will supply half a million licences to the German education system. The size of the deal dwarfs the 350,000 seat IBM deal won by Slack.
@yogthos
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That’s fantastic news! For those not in the loop Element is just rebranded Riot.im. We really need an open protocol for chat communication to become a standard. The fact that all the popular chat platforms are proprietary is a travesty.

It’s especially painful nowadays where a lot of chat apps are implemented using Electron making them rather hefty in terms of resource usage. Having to run both Slack and Discord for example is pretty taxing. This problem wouldn’t exist using open protocols.

Dessalines
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The non-electron desktop apps for matrix currently are pretty dissapointing… but that can always improve. Nheko was the only one that I tried for a while that actually had working encryption, which is standard now… none of the other clients even support encryption.

The mobile clients are really good tho, RiotX is probably going to get re-branded as element too, and its great.

@yogthos
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Electron will also continue to improve a going forward I imagine. There isn’t any fundamental reason why it needs to be slow or bloated. One very positive aspect of Electron is in helping finally make Linux desktop a first class citizen. A lot of apps just wouldn’t exist on Linux without it. Being able to run stuff like Slack and Discord really helps since a lot of people are stuck having to use these apps. So, despite the issues I still support Electron approach overall.

Also, don’t know if you’ve seen but stuff like Tauri looks really interesting as well. It’s a tiny footprint compared to Electron and uses Rust as the backend.

And yeah, RiotX is excellent!

@Lowey
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Electron will be replaced by PWA in my opinion. Electron was always a hack.

@yogthos
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Yeah PWA is likely the way most apps are gonna end up being built going forward.

Dessalines
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Whoa never heard of Tauri, that looks pretty interesting. I’d also love to see more iced or relm apps, those are cross-platform rust GUI toolkits that could easily have all kinds of apps made for them.

@yogthos
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That is pretty nifty. I imagine web stack has a lot of appeal because a lot of people are already familiar with it, and you get a web UI for the app for free using it. It is nice to see more native toolkits being developed though.

@jwinnie
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One very positive aspect of Electron is in helping finally make Linux desktop a first class citizen.

I wonder why GTK+/Qt can’t do the same. Both of them are very capable cross-platform frameworks that support several languages.

@yogthos
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Electron still has the most each since you can use it for a web UI as well as mobile. I also suspect more people are familiar with web tech in general, and in my experience it tends to be easier to work with. The workflow can be quite nice as well. I find hotloading to be especially nice when working on UIs since you can get the app in a particular state and tweak it without having to rebuild the state each time. This talk is a good example.

@GaussNoise
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Fluffychat has working encryption too! It works on desktop and mobile with the desktop app being a snap. I think encryption was just made standard in March? So some apps and the SDKs they rely on have to catch up.

@LibertyBeta
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First, nice Flutter app.

Second, nice matrix app.

@visika
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The bridges feature of Matrix servers is something interesting regarding that problem. I think it’s a wise move as it integrates in everyone’s life and lessens that sensation of fighting against the system.

(I’m thinking about how I used Signal, where I have <10 contacts, hoping that it would replace WhatsApp. I can’t see that happening, everyone will use what they prefer.)

@yogthos
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Yeah, that looks very promising. It’s really great to see open source platforms starting to mature.

@SirLotsaLocks
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aside from being an open alternative to slack, it’s also nice to see a European tech company in a sea of American and Chinese products and companies.

@Rumblestiltskin
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I love the answers to the questions too! The interviewer is asking leading questions about a software cold war between USA and Europe and the interviewee redirects with the idea about open and free programs not linked to centralised systems.

Arden
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Excellent news. I’m going to give the P2P Riot thing a go that was mentioned near the end of the article.

@nope
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Considering that Element is called a “Slack-rival” here, does anyone know if there are currently any plans to add Slack-like threads to Element?

Dessalines
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In a big way, matrix already has threads, considering you can reply to any comment and you can expand the reply tree up. Its different than a tree view like this, because its a chat, but it works.

It one of the reasons I hate discord, there are no replies. 2 hours late on a convo? Sorry, you’re out of luck. Whereas with matrix, just reply to that old message.

But ya a lot of ppl are suggesting that they add separate “sub-rooms” like slack has. Although iirc, the slack view is not truly tree, since the other pane is just at a new depth of 1.

@yogthos
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There is a ticket for Element/Riot to implement threaded UI it looks like https://github.com/vector-im/riot-web/issues/2349

@Leer10
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There was an infographic linked there for a thing called glue chat that I thought was a nice read! http://a9.io/glue-comic/

It reminds me of the google wave days :(

@marmulak
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For anyone interested, I admin some Matrix rooms related to Lemmy communities I moderate or participate in, including: Iran, Tajikistan, Persian, Islam, and others. There is also Esperanto, though I do not admin that chat. They all can be found in the public room directory.

Newcomers to Matrix/Element and old guys alike are welcome to come hang out. (If you prefer XMPP, we have that too, but I thought I’d mention our Matrix communities following the launch of shiny Element.;)

@oriond
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I love Matrix (The protocol behind Element)

@federico3
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Element sells an ultra-secure messaging system

This is comically wrong.

@Lowey
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They do sell a system, French and German military uses that system.

@federico3
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…but it’s claimed to be “ultra-secure”

@Lowey
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It’s secure but it leaks way too much metadata, so not really private but alright security

@federico3
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Leaking matadata is a breach of confidentiality - which is a cornerstone of security: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Information_security#Definition

@Rumblestiltskin
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What they need for small business to consider this is better out of the box integrations. The only decent one they have is Github. No other help desk or project management software that a small business may need. Things like Jira or Basecamp integration would be great.

Future Me
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On the one hand, privacy is indeed valued in Germany (e.g. teachers are not allowed to use WhatsApp, due to GDPR&co). On the other hand, public technology projects often end as disaster, even more so if they deals with IT and the education system. I’m hoping the best for this one…

@oriond
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I remember someone complaining about the lack of segmentation, like the ability to create teams that can talk within the team but not talk to another team. For example in a company you may want the engineering team be able to talk and create rooms, but you want to prevent them from talking to the accounting team. Is that possible with Matrix/Element ?

Dessalines
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Yeah, you just make a room with only those members allowed invited.

@oriond
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The problem with that is that nothing prevents the members of that room from making other rooms with members of other departments they should not be able to talk with… That is what I meant by Segmentation. and making one matrix installation per department with no federation would be overkill.

Maya
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tbh I cannot imagine why you would want this in a company

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