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Interesting read. Thanks for sharing and I appreciate the courage of you writing this. Years ago I started to tinker with smartphones but I was so weary about the privacy/security issues that I never let them replace my old fashioned 2G phone. And I am glad about it, because I see a lot of adults wasting their time on smartphones, while their little kids lack the attention they’re asking for. Sad story.

Regarding stress and feeling lonely (or maybe rather “disconnected”, “isolated” from the rest), reading for example Eckhart Tolle, Isaac Shapiro, Jiddu Krishnamurti or watching their videos might help a lot for these topics. Doing Qi Gong or Tai Chi might help as well. I’ve read quite a few of psychology and philosophy books and articles through the years, and one recurring thing is that people wander around the planet, travel e.g. to India (the “holy” place for some), and eventually they find out after this long journey that everything is already inside of you. And if you want to run away from this cruel world, you will still take your memories and your conditioning with you, in body and mind. Inner peace is priceless.

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Cheers for your reply, appreciated. Regarding social networks and messaging, I think it was last year that I tried Mastodon and Friendica on a smartphone and I noticed the temptation to go lie on a couch and then scroll in a half sleepy “comfortable” state. After a while I started to dislike it because it is so easy to boost or favor a post, and tempting to keep on scrolling “totally numb”, so I stopped with that. At a computer it is also easier to slow down but at the same time write longer replies more easily. I basically use smartphone for listening to music (radio streams or downloads), make photos, look up a weather forecast, sometimes I use Noice and Binaural beats apps of F-Droid . I’ve never used it for “social messaging”, and I am very glad about that. People can email me, and I’ll do my email on the desktop, preferably in a slow pace, sometimes I take days before replying to a personal email. And regarding Mastodon, I loved it when I started with it in 2018, but lately I find it too overwhelming, and I prefer Lemmy.

I was curious and looked up https://www.nathanieldrew.com and https://invidio.us/channel/UCpnuadQ_w3r6f4Q_NRlqd-w I’d like to check the videos you mentioned. Regarding meditation. I find this a little bit tricky in general as there are lots of options, and some of it might produce a sense of peace but only mental. It might work fine for you though. A few weeks ago I watched a video of Tolle, and I read some text from him where he mentioned that he used a meditation method at some point in his life but it was counter productive for him so he moved on. This video shows Tolle speaking from experience about anxiety (He suffered a lot in the past to the point where he had a crisis and then went upward) https://invidious.snopyta.org/watch?v=3I5L2otW4r8 The comments were also interesting to read I thought.

Also, proper breathing is important. Especially in the “Western world” we grow up with worshiping our brains. Clever people in school are praised, but for example social and artistic skills are usually not valued very much. But we are much more than the brains. And by focusing so much on the brains we might forget to breath properly and lose some contact with our body and the material world, only to wander around in our own mental world. So, one other way to find more inner peace is to work with our hands. Gardening, working with clay, painting, drawing. For myself listening to music and playing musical instruments is a super great gift, which can fill me with joy and amazement. Lately I enjoy reading about history of musicians more than before.

~ Namaste

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Nice to read that we both like Lemmy (I was never into communicating Reddit, just reading it sometimes for tech issues or recommendations/info). I started to really like following “topics” on Lemmy. (On Friendica it was a little bit similar regarding following hashtags but with much less useful content and conversations. It felt more like an RSS reader). Sorry to hear about the peer pressure in country regarding IM. Here in Holland, at least with my family and friends and colleagues email and phoning and SMS-ing is often used. I see and hear people say “Just app me” (Meaning WhatsApp) but I’ve always ignored that. There are neighborhoods with a sort of traffic signs with “community neighborhood security guarding via WhatsApp”, and I had a few times paper letters asking me as neighbor to join the WhatsApp group but I’ve ignored that. Especially during the covid-19 pandemic I started to appreciate real life social contact with friends, and I started to like calls via Jitsi Meet. With some of them during the calls with Jitsi Meet I’ve played a short tune on a musical instrument just for fun. I really enjoy having hardly any notifications (on the 2G phone I have the sound low). My smartphones are very often on airplane mode to save battery.

Thanks for the web-link!

Outside the clouds are beautiful, as well as the blue of the sky. There is little amount of wind. The trees are peaceful, just being themselves. Children are playing, loud, having fun.

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Behavioral shaping is on the same order of magnitude of importance as privacy. A counterpart to it. I think it’s only recently starting to gain momentum in popular dialog. People knew about privacy issues long ago and for the most part handwave it away as another thing you can’t really do much about.

I will write small bit of my own experience for the interested. Skip the wall of text if you wish.

One way I use reddit is to keep up to date on certain topics. For example sports news. It turns out the crowd is really effective at aggregating and dictating what the popular news stories are. My routine has been to scroll through the main page of subreddits picking what’s new and popular. The cumulative time spent on this per day can be quite a lot.

Often I get pulled into random posts or comment threads. I end up spending a lot of time which in the end is not very fulfilling to me. The platform isn’t designed to give me what I’m looking for in an efficient way. Many platforms these days aren’t IMO in spite of their insistence that they try to. I believed that myself too. The objective is to keep me engaged or contributing so that I produce the units of value for their company. That’s what we are to them. We are the root from which their valuations are derived.

I’ve been experimenting with scraping the main page of subreddits and sorting those results by time posted. That way I can quickly check if there has been a new and popular post. There’s no need scan down the subreddits and filter through what might be new and interesting. I won’t be directed towards infinite scroll, random posts, comment threads, or whatever mechanisms might exist.

I find it strange these crowd engagement mechanisms have nudged us closer towards something akin to oral history. You’ve got to follow the crowd to keep up to date with what’s going on. Trust in traditional media has been eroding. People don’t read what journalists work hard to investigate and write about anymore. They follow what the social trends are. Not to denigrate traditional journalists but they can miss details of things that can only be grasped by knowing the nuances of communities. It is driving our desire to remain perpetually engaged in these platforms. Anyways I digress.

I read something once that stuck with me. It was something like don’t let the internet use you. These platforms don’t give me what I’m looking for so I’ve found myself contemplating what it is that I want and ways to get to it. Trying to be mindful of the ways they aren’t very meaningful rather than going with their flow. With out getting too existential, I’ve found myself asking myself why? I fall into this trap of allowing the platforms lead me in directions of where ever content they feed me. Makes me question to what degree I’ve really been in control of my own faculties at times. Feels kind of weird.

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