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Yeah I don’t know if people who are doing that are irony posting or what… but there are much better ways to waste your time imo.


China is the only communist nation that can actually stand up to US right now. Despite all the problems with RPC, the ideology that China promotes is generally positive, and they’re largely allocating both labour and resources in a way that benefits the people of the country. They’re providing free healthcare, education, and housing for their citizens, and they’re lifting millions of people out of poverty right now. They also support other socialist nations that would be crushed by Western imperialism without them. You don’t have to idolize China to recognize that they are doing many positive things, and the world would be a worse place without them.

Yeah peoples main problem with socialism right now is because they associate it with regimes like the DPRK and the CCP.

The main reason people oppose socialism is because it threatens their class interest, or they’ve been duped by someone whose class interests would be threatened by socialism. I don’t think the optics of a few regimes are that big of a deal, in the grand scheme of things

I mean I get that but if you ask people on the street why socialism or communism is bad they will 99% of the time bring up north korea and china. They have been duped by the 1% to think that socialism=china and that’s what I’m trying to say

Yeah absolutely, my point is just that even if china and the DPRK became perfect beacons of civilization overnight, people would still be subjected to capitalist propaganda

Nah, most people would benefit from it. They are opposed to it due to decades of fear mongering and propaganda.


I wouldn’t be too sure of that, much of the west has a vested interest in maintaining imperialism; they do because its in their class interests to do so. The cost savings from exporting production to low wage, super-exploited labor in the global south has more than offset the US’s stagnant wages for example.

From John Smith’s Imperialism in the 21st century:

Neoliberal globalization has transformed the production of all commodities, including labor-power, as more and more of the manufactured consumer goods that reproduce labor-power in imperialist countries are produced by super-exploited workers in low-wage nations. The globalization of production processes impacts workers in imperialist nations in two fundamental ways. Outsourcing enables capitalists to replace higher-paid domestic labor with low-wage Southern labor, exposing workers in imperialist nations to direct competition with similarly skilled but much lower paid workers in Southern nations, while falling prices of clothing, food, and other articles of mass consumption protects consumption levels from falling wages and magnifies the effect of wage increases. The IMF’s World Economic Outlook 2007 attempted to weigh these two effects, concluding: "Although the labor share [of GDP] went down, globalization of labor as manifested in cheaper imports in advanced economies has increased the ‘size of the pie’ to be shared among all citizens, resulting in a net gain in total workers’ compensation in real terms.

In other words, cost savings resulting from outsourcing are shared with workers in imperialist countries. This is both an economic imperative and a conscious strategy of the employing class and their political representatives that is crucial to maintaining domestic class peace. Wage repression at home, rather than abroad, would reduce demand and unleash latent recessionary forces. Competition in markets for workers’ consumer goods forces some of the cost reductions resulting from greater use of low-wage labor to be passed on to them.

In his study of Walmart, Nelson Lichtenstein reports: “Wal-Mart argues that the company’s downward squeeze on prices raises the standard of living of the entire U.S. population, saving consumers upwards of $100bn each year, perhaps as much as $600 a year at the checkout counter for the average family… ‘These savings are a lifeline for millions of middle- and lower-income families who live from payday to payday,’ argues Wal-Mart CEO H. Lee Scott. ‘In effect, it gives them a raise every time they shop with us.’” Lichtenstein, 2005, Wal-Mart: The Face of Twenty-First-Century Capitalism (New York: New Press).

Perhaps the most in-depth research into this effect was conducted by two Chicago professors, Christian Broda and John Romalis, who established a “concordance” between two giant databases, one tracking the quantities and price movements between 1994 and 2005 of hundreds of thousands of different goods consumed by 55,000 U.S. households, the other of imports classified into 16,800 different product categories. Their central conclusion: “While the expansion of trade with low wage countries triggers a fall in relative wages for the unskilled in the United States, it also leads to a fall in the price of goods that are heavily consumed by the poor. We show that this beneficial price effect can potentially more than offset the standard negative relative wage effect.” They calculate that China by itself accounted for four-fifths of the total inflation-lowering effect of cheap imports, its share of total U.S. imports having risen during the decade from 6 to 17 percent, and that “the rise of Chinese trade … alone can offset around a third of the rise in official inequality we have seen over this period.”


there’s a lot of chauvinism to unpack here

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