Dessalines
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Matrix / Riot (riotX for android). Federated, E2EE, self hostable, open source, open spec, extensible. Pretty much the future of comms.

@AccessViolation_
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I’m personally really exited about P2P Matrix. I think for small groups and one-on-one messaging, peer-to-peer communication is the best way to go. There’s already apps like Briar that are fully peer-to-peer, but it’s harder to convince people to use it than Matrix would be, as a lot of people are already familiar with it.

Dessalines
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Same, I’m really surprised p2p matrix is as far as it is. I thought we were years away from it.

@AccessViolation_
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So did I initially. I was amazed when I read that Matrix was actually peer-to-peer compatible from the start. Peer-to-peer matrix is apparently just each user running their own home server and client, but in one package. They’re working on creating a more performant home server code base so it would even be able to run on mobile devices. Can’t wait

@PureTryOut
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21Y

Matrix as well. I have it bridged with Telegram and WhatsApp as I sadly still can’t do without, but hope to use just Matrix at some point in the future.

It’s a shame to see that Telegram is so popular within the FOSS community, it’s a centralized service with a proprietary backend and really shouldn’t be promoted.

Dessalines
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11Y

Yup, iirc they rolled their own encryption too, which is a terrible idea.

Maya
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61Y

Matrix! I think Telegram has the best feature set but ideologically I want Matrix to do well (I :red heart: self-hosting) so I’m hoping it moves towards that.

@SubRosa
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61Y

Riotx

@Jassu
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51Y

Line is nicest by the feature set & usability, but if I was free to choose one to reach everyone important, I’d probably go with Matrix. I hope it gets the usability things right in the long run. :)

Maya
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Forget other instant messengers, most other apps could do with taking a look at Line and its visual customizations. I gave them my own American dollars to get cute themes for the UI and Moomin stickers. There’s got to be a lesson in that…

@andycuccaro
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11Y

They are working on improving the “FTUE” (First Time User Experience) and I think they are improving quite a lot as of late.

@couldbeanybody
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51Y

Conversaions or Signal. My favorite is the one of the two who is working at the time ;)

@onlooker
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51Y

I think RiotX/Matrix is nice. I also like whatever messenger uses the XMPP protocol and OMEMO, like Conversations for Android and Gajim for PC. There are more here.

@Hactar
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Depending on your needs/threat model, Signal and Telegram are both good options. Signal is for when you want your messages and metadata to remain private but don’t mind giving out your phone number, while Telegram doesn’t protect metadata but has plenty of more features and allows you to hide your phone number.

Some people like to shit on Telegram’s weird unique encryption protocol, but the reality is that if you’re worried about an actor sophisticated enough to crack it you should be using Tails.

My personal favorite is Signal, and I love how rapidly they’ve been improving & adding features to the app. ($50m in funding certainly helps.)

@dirtfindr
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Depending on your needs/threat model, Signal and Telegram are both good options

Everyone’s threat model should include mass surveillance and surveillance capitalism. Signal is a very poor choice in that regard. See also: https://resist.berlin/goodbye_signal.txt

@Hactar
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The only surveillance that Signal is vulnerable to are companies like Amazon, Apple, and Google knowing that you use Signal. All messages and metadata are e2e encrypted; in contrast, Matrix (and to a lesser extent Telegram, and indeed all platforms that use server-side account management) is horrendous in terms of allowing any homeserver you interact with to store all of your metadata (who you’re talking to, which groups you’re in, even passwords for the one you signed up with, etc).

I understand that there are arguably ethical reasons to avoid Signal, and that’s fine. But (a) if you want a fair amount of user-friendliness then you simply have no choice but to interact with Google/Amazon/etc. in a limited fashion and (b) if you are simply looking for a solution to protect your data (rather than avoiding unethical consumption and supporting the wrong companies) then Signal is your best bet. Requiring a phone number is the main flaw but that’s easily mitigated by getting a free, anonymous SMS number and locking re-registration.

@unknownnumber
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All messages and metadata are e2e encrypted

Not all metadata can be e2e encrypted:

  • how would the company know where to send the message? The destination username and/or IP must be unencrypted.
  • the timestamp is a very useful metadata that cannot be encrypted (wiretappers just note the time the message passed).
@Hactar
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That used be true but Signal has done great work in encrypting metadata in creative ways, including who is messaging whom (and by extension also timestamps of messages). The destination phone number is useless if the sender isn’t known.

It’s true that if someone is directly monitoring your ISP/WiFi they can simply observe when Signal traffic passes in order to get timestamps, but at that point your threat model is extreme and you should be using Tails (at least)–and even that wouldn’t solve this problem either. The point is that Signal collects a remarkably low amount of metadata.

https://signal.org/blog/sealed-sender/

https://signal.org/bigbrother/eastern-virginia-grand-jury/

This isn’t hypothetical. The government served a subpoena to Signal and “the only information we can produce in response to a request like this is the date and time a user registered with Signal and the last date of a user’s connectivity to the Signal service.” And not just because they don’t log; they don’t have access to more info.

@unknownnumber
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21Y

Tails

At least Tails. But I think Qubes is better.

@Hactar
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21Y

Tbh I know very little about Qubes. Any recommended reading?

@ajz
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11Y

the reality is that if you’re worried about an actor sophisticated enough to crack it you should be using Tails.

Never say never ;-) “Privacy-Focused OS Wants to Know How Facebook and the FBI Hacked it” https://lemmy.ml/post/35268

@yogthos
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31Y

I use Telegram

@oshitwaddup
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21Y

Signal. It’s like imessage on android

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@k_o_t
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21Y

Telegram is hugely popular in Russia, so that’s what I mostly use. It has a beautiful and functional UI, native clients for most OSs.

I use riot.im for some dev chats (lemmy, jellyfin).

QuentinCallaghan
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21Y

Telegram. Many friends of mine use it, our student organization uses it, there are animated stickers, bots and channels. A lot more functionality compared to WhatsApp. Plus Messenger and Unigram are good clients for mobile and desktop environments.

@AccessViolation_
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I suppose it’s nice that your student organization uses it. We’re forced to use Microsoft Teams for school. If only TG implemented group voice and video calls (I heard peer-to-peer video calling is in the works). If they did, I could maybe convince my school to switch.

QuentinCallaghan
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11Y

When there are group projects, me and my friends usually form a Telegram group, occasionally we also use Teams. Currently the iOS beta version of Telegram has video calls (I don’t know whether they are also for groups). Only if I could make my friends outside school to use Telegram instead of WhatsApp :p

@SirLotsaLocks
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Discord

/s

@k_o_t
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I mean, it’s honestly really nice actually, except for the part that it’s closed-sourced and centralized. Also as of recently ridiculous moderation, random bans, crappy support and redesigns for mobile.

@SirLotsaLocks
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I do like using it, but I only really use it because my friends use it. If I could I would use an open source alternative and move my friends over.

@k_o_t
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11Y

yeah, the network effect is the main reason people use it, but also it objectively has some nice, and even basic feature that other platforms lack for some reason…

@SirLotsaLocks
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21Y

Yeah that’s the thing about closed source proprietary software, they have enough money to spend working on the little things like redesigns and features like twitch integration. generally I don’t mind missing out on the little things if I’m supporting an open source project but for most people proprietary is just better, like when you ask them they just don’t see the point in missing out on certain features just because of they way it was designed.

@AccessViolation_
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I personally use Telegram for most of my secure communication. What I don’t like, or rather, what I would like to see change, is the fact that there is no option for end-to-end encrypted group communication. It’s definitely possible, and I’d love to see it implemented alongside the normal could stored chats. When creating a group, the user could choose between cloud storage for convenience, or end-to-end encryption for privacy or people that don’t feel like they need cloud storage. I’m a huge fan of Signal as well, but only one person I know uses it.

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@artifuchs
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@couldbeanybody
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Honestly I think that telegram is as bad or worse than WhatsApp… Owned by a Russian billionaire, idk man. No default crypto.

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