Code of conduct and censorship, I can’t actually speak freely here.

How is it any better?

@stuartd
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1Y

Because without a code of conduct, a community becomes a cesspool. I was a member of oink back in the day and their rules were draconian. Don’t fuck up, or you’re out. Wonderful community, sorely missed.

If you want to shit on a doorstep, shit on your own. If you shit on someone else’s, they’re not going to like it.

Maya
admin
81Y

go host your own and be the Gab of Lemmy, then–but for the record, not everyone agrees on what should be different about reddit, and “they don’t allow enough hateful sh*t” is not universally seen as a flaw

@432143214321
creator
-41Y

You jump to assume that free speech = hate speech, this demonstrates how the mob suppresses free speech and thought.

Have fun being just like everyone else, because they TOLD you to be that way!

Very unique mob snowflakes.

Maya
admin
31Y

…that is about the only thing you’re not allowed by the code of conduct. unless you wanted your “freer” speech for porn.

Dessalines
admin
21Y

Do not harrass others, our users don’t need to spend their time debating freeze peach trolls. If you continue, you’ll get a ban.

Basically, we don’t want things here which would annoy many other people.

  • if an instance allows porn, this changes the atmosphere very easily to having masturbating people here who are aroused by every word you say. --> we don’t want that.
  • if we allow things like homophobia, racism, etc. this would decrease the interest of many people who suffer from these jokes (because they hear them all the time). --> we don’t want that.

However, i think it is important to say: if you say something sexist, racist, whatever, i don’t think we would ban you instantly. Probably only in the severe cases, where its obvious that people aren’t interested in understanding their problematic behavior.

Much more important is the ability to listen and start adapting. If you do that, its fine. At least, that is my approach.

@unpopu
21Y

Actually that’s one of my main concerns with Lemmy and the Fediverse: Once instances gain the ability to block other instances, we will probably see the same segmentation issues that Mastodon faces already, where admins arbitrarily block other instances for slight deviations in policies or differences in administration. Many Mastodon instances are therefore way more restricted than for example reddit is (as reddit doesn’t censor views based on legal political opinions that one of the admins may disagree with). With the Fediverse groups of instances create their own filter bubbles, supporting extremist views even more than centralised social media, as all opponents have been blocked out already.

Until Mastodon decided to castrate hashtag timelines to four hashtags only per timeline, I used the instance from Purism, as Purism (at least back then) didn’t block other instances for non-technical reasons and it was up to the individual user to do (or not to do) so.

In my opinion blocking completely destroys the fediverse. How would you feel about your ISP deciding which views are acceptable and which aren’t and blocking websites according to their political opinion? In my opinion the only views that should face censorship are the ones that are illegal according to the laws applying to one particular instance, as the admin should have the ability to avoid getting into legal trouble.

I also don’t see an issue with Gab, as long as they adhere to the laws applying to them, even though I disagree with many of the views posted on that instance. As long as these are legal, everyone should be able to state their opinion and we should be open to discussions, as this is the base for any healthy democracy (not rejecting opinions based on political correctness).

Unfortunately I don’t see the light at the end of the tunnel and if we continue to censor legal views the Fediverse is doomed for failure. The only solution would probably be that everyone hosts one’s own posts on one’s own server (so you are only legally-responsible for your very own posts) and all these servers of individual persons would need to federate with each other (similar to everyone hosting a blog). But unfortunately that’s not really feasible as very few people have the ability to host a server running 24/7 …

Maya
admin
61Y

to be frank, a lot of the instance blocks i’ve seen have to do with content that is legal in one place and not legal in another, so that’s not a clean line. I like how people who want to freeze their peaches can pick different instances from people who only feel safe enough to participate with heavier moderation, and it can be worked out pragmatically whether they should federate (since mods are busy, it’s pretty rare for anything to be blocked On Principle like happened with Gab–normally it’s in response to something).

that said, one thing that makes this all a lot easier now is that mastodon has a feature to forward follows if you move your account from one instance to another. if lemmy can export and import lists of communities to follow, that will help.

I also don’t see an issue with Gab, as long as they adhere to the laws applying to them, even though I disagree with many of the views posted on that instance. As long as these are legal, everyone should be able to state their opinion and we should be open to discussions, as this is the base for any healthy democracy (not rejecting opinions based on political correctness).

however, this is also the way how right wing people start getting traction, for instance in germany. And because they act in many cases provocative and sometimes even are not really interested in a healthy discussion, the content starts to shift. people do not discuss real problems, real solutions, and instead they discuss the basics, for instance if muslims should be part of germany or if climate change even exists.

Therefore, it is harmful, because a small minority of people change the content a whole society talks about, which prevents discussion to solve important topics like climate change.

And the only solution is to not listen to the right wing people.

@unpopu
21Y

Not listening to e. g. right-wing people is definitely not a solution and makes the situation even worse.

You can’t just ignore 20 % of the population (see AfD in Germany). This will only drive even more people to right-wing parties, since people start to feel that they need to support free-speech now, since they feel like opinions, other than from the left, are no longer heard in public. And thanks to political correctness (PC), many people actually feel like it is no longer socially acceptable to state opinions against PC topics (e. g. immigration), even though critical thinking about such topics is a very basic requirement for a functioning democratic society, and the only way to not feel excluded, when talking about controversial PC topics, seems to be to join a right-wing party, since they are open to critical voices against PC topics. To slow this trend down, we should be more inclusive to critical views on PC topics, engage in discussions to educate these people about different views and not simply block them away into their own filter bubble.

Btw. who says that left-wing opinions are always right/acceptable and right-wing opinions are always wrong/unacceptable? Is there a central authority saying so (which one?), is this caused by political correctness or is this just your own personal opinion? I’d say that left-wing extremists are as worse and as violent as right-wing extremists and neither of these extremes is good.

The only solution for fighting extremism (from left and right!) is not to block each other, but instead engage in discussions and education! You can’t fight illegal activities just by making them illegal, effectly putting them into the “underground”, where they then grow unnoticed (-> Gab) and you also can’t fight extremists by simply blocking them away. We will never reach a middle-ground with vibrant discussions if the only content available is from left-wing or right-wing extremists (depending on the instance bubble). But thanks to instance blocking we are actually creating these extreme filter bubbles in the Fediverse, where all people in a certain group of instances are only exposed to people with a similar opinion and as a result few people of this group of instances question the truth behind posts/statements that underpin the supposedly “correct” opinion.

This comment is a breath of fresh air. I’m not saying have absolutely no moderation whatsoever, but banning people won’t magically make their opinions go away. All it does is give them a persecution complex and drive them to more and more isolated forums. As long as someone is civil and willing to engage in debate about their opinions, then I think that’s ok. Obviously ban trolls and people that aren’t trying to have a good-faith discussion. If you really believe that someone’s beliefs are terrible and should be changed, the most effective way to do that is to debate them and discuss problems with their views. That’s the basis of how a democratic society functions.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daryl_Davis This guy managed to convince as many as 60 KKK members to leave the Klan, by debating and confronting their illogical beliefs. I think that this suggests that the vast majority of people are rational, and when proven wrong in a honest debate will modify their worldview accordingly.
To be honest I don’t really know much about this stuff, so idk.

You can’t just ignore 20 % of the population (see AfD in Germany). This will only drive even more people to right-wing parties, since people start to feel that they need to support free-speech now, since they feel like opinions, other than from the left, are no longer heard in public.

they are heard already a lot. look at how many AFD politicians are invited to talkshows, like “maischberger” or “anne will”. they don’t invite people who have experienced harassment, they invite the AFD who fuels this harassment.

@nutomic
mod
admin
11Y

If you dont like it here, then go to voat or reddit. We will never allow freeze peach for fascists.

@shachtmanite
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