Muad’dibber, what the fuck? I used to respect you as an moderator, you are modding lemmygrad for more then a year, much longer then since genzedong got banned, so why now, all of a sudden, you decided to do this? And i want an actual response, dont you even dare to delete my post before people are able of actually reading it, i am going to save everything i writed here and i will post it on subs where you are not an mod, I want this to be an post to clear this mess, and it will stay up, like you or not, till this situation is over; Muad’dibber has on the last 3 days been openly anti-patsoc, and he got since the last day on some nasty arguments against SaddamHussain, me, and PolandAsAStateOfMind, us three where calling out the fact his “critiscism” of “patsocs” was mostly bs, Saddam explained to him on the most civilized way possible why what Muad was saying was just wrong, and Muad started openly diffamating Saddam, calling him an pro israel reactionary, with was when i entered on this mess and sayed to muad how he was lying, how saddam never sayed he was pro Israel, nor pro settler, and the people on the threads where agreeing with me, oh and minutes after getting on the argument with Saddam, Muad created AN ENTIRE COMMUNITY just to diss on “patsocs” with is honestly pathetic, using your power as an mod to openly create propaganda to get an advantage on a fucking internet argument that you are losing?! Oh, and when people started openly saying that no drastic measures where needed, that we should not go at each others throats for something so small, and that there was even people that where being openlly anti-patsoc calling out muad as just being mad at Saddam and Saddam expecifically, and that he was not even trying to make sense anymore. He now has deleted most of saddam comments to cover the facts, is deleting my comments calling him out, banned both me and Saddam (and he did not even give an warning to me) and is putting commentaries on the moderation historic saying we where being “pro-israel”, “Reactionary”, “patsocs”, “pro-imperialism”, “pro"colonialism”, etc, complete and absolute slanders and petty lies.
Now, what i want to do with this, i want this post to stand here so we are able of talking about this issue, i want mine and Saddam account unbanned, i want the Arguments with Muad, Me and Saddam to be unremoved (if possible) so people can see what was happening and make their own conclusions, and i want that Muad come here and defend himself. I have been participating on both lemmygrad AND the former r/Genzedong subreddit since december of last november of last year, i am one of the most active members here, i have proved myself over and over that i am in fact a leftist, and that i am in fact a communist, AND i am not accepting that my entire social life on the internet that resolves entirelly on using this site to talk with other people i agree with gets nucked into fucking oblivion because a single person got mad he lost on an internet argument. Now mods, come here and say everything you want to say, but i want my right of expressing myself on this.
It’s kinda surreal reading a random post from a year ago browsing all, about Lemmy drama. If the OP sees this I kinda want to know what happened. the names of those involved make it funny as hell too
Also anyone know what patsoc means?
Patriotic Socialism
Have you considered that maybe the opinions you were defending are not accepted on this site? You do a lot of disservice to that admin, who was one of the creators of the site and the Lemmy project, when you assume they didn’t read what you wrote and still disagreed. I don’t believe for one second the admins, who have been here for years, would choose to ban people out of pettiness.
This discussion has brought a lot of toxicity to this site and it’s sad you can’t see that. I don’t want you or Saddam banned from this site forever but you need to show you’re willing form part of it. Cool off for some time and then come back. The discussion you were having is over.
Edit: don’t be a child and downvote comments that don’t give you what you wanted. You wanted to talk about what happened, so talk properly.
First off, you are not even looking at the fact i am not defending patsocs, i am merelly pointing out that most critiscism being made about both caleb and Infrared are not connected with reality, if one thing is actually critiscizing what they are saying, SHOWING actual proff of what they are saying (we can just copypast images on our comments you know) and use that thing they are saying to made an argument, most critiscism being made was vague and did not show any actual proff, it was mostly saying “patsocs are this and that” but it was almost never showing patsocs being “this and that”, and when it showed something, Saddam responded on a very civil manner, never disrespecting nobody, and lots of persons agreed with the fact they themselves did not know a lot about the issue. And Muad being an mod for a very long time is not excuse, lots of members of the USSR worked there their entire lifes and stil commited several errors being led by self interest and personal opinions (this is what we call idealists). And what is even wrong of me downvoting your comment while i am responding to another person? you are also downvoting my post, and who gives a shit about downvoting? its an meaningless bottom that doesnt do anything.
And talking about toxicity, Me and Saddam where not being toxic at all, we where respecting the rules and keeping the diagol civil, we where debating about an issue, and instead of actually debating the issue, you mods are instead banning two people that have never showed any signals of being “xionist colonialist revisionist patsoc etc etc”, and i was simply defending an comrade of mine because Muad oppenly lied about him defending Israeli setlers and that israeli setlers should take palestinian land.
The whole of the moderation team agrees that Patriotic Socialists (a western disease on the left) have no justification to be in our community. If you want to dispute our ruling you’re welcome to do so, but we’ve taken a hard line against the chauvinism of the patsocs, and we have no plans to change that.
If we do decide to take your posts down and you decide to repost them, we’ll consider it ban evasion.
Anyone can read the moderation log and see what the “deleted” comments were, and anyone can see that Maud’s rulings were justified. I’ll reiterate that if you feel like we’re being unfair, you are welcome to challenge us on it. But the way you’re presenting the facts of the drama isn’t how we see it at all.
What did me and Saddam even do wrong for goddamn sake, how are we both being chauvinist, patsocs, pro israel, pró settler, or any of all of this other bs? Both me and Saddam where arguing on GOOD FAITH, we never attacked Muad, we never breaked the rules of keeping things civil, HE was the one who started attacking saddam and openlly lied about him defending Israeli settlers, both me and saddam telled us why him saying that was wrong, we never sayed israellis deserve to take land from palestinians, we never where having patriotic burgeoise views of saying we should blindly follow an burgeoise capitalist state out of love for the country, we never sayed we should not decolonize the US or Israel, so tell me, what did we do wrong? I was not even defending Patsoc thinking, i think it has some serious flaws, but the critiscism most people are giving to it just doesnt make sense, i was merely pointing out the flaws. Now please, tell me, what we even did wrong?
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