This is an Antifa instance
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Just a public service announcement.

@johs
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卐=☭

Dessalines
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All you fascists are bound to lose.

@PopeRigby
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Dessalines
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You mean what it is? Its a video the soviets took of them blowing up a nazi emblem on the reichstag during the battle of berlin.

@PopeRigby
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Dessalines
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Hell yeah. If there are any WW2 buffs out there, I highly recommend watching soviet storm, a docu series about the eastern front during WW2. torrent

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@developred
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@AgreeableLandscape
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It’s insane how the greater concept of “antifa” is automatically associated with violence when it literally stands for “anti fascism”.

I don’t condone violence on either side, but I say be against the concept of fascism or GTFO of this forum.

@Defcon1
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That’s authoritarian

Maya
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“please leave my party (I have set up a bunch of party supplies by the door you can take to host your own party)” is… not… authoritarian?

@canteen
51Y

This was my understanding as well. The open source nature of Lemmy means that if fash want to to have their own circlejerk instance, they can set it up.

Although, I’m wondering how the federation works. Will such an instance automatically federate with this one, or can it be manually blocked from such? I still remember all the hubbub on Mastodon after Gab set up their own instance, but I never really understood the technical part.

@RoundDuckKira
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@nutomic
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Locking this, if I want to read why Antifa is bad, I can just go to Reddit.

Fascists mad

Fascists mad

@nutomic
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Bump for “hacker” news.

@pinkprius
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o7

Glad to hear it :smiling face with smiling eyes:

@yogthos
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@librelove
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very cool

@xvf
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Being antifa is as bad as being a facist.

@nutomic
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Thanks for the laugh.

Fer
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Totally true. Also being a communist / socialist is as bad as being a fascist.

So is being anti-communist just as bad as being a communist? How deep does the rabbit hole go?

Well it depends what type of “communism” we’re talking about. Fascism has usually a pretty clear understanding: repression of political dissent, emphasis on a national feeling and a sense of unique destiny to destroy/conquer whoever disagrees, various forms of eugenism (in the sense of killing people because they’re homosexual or handicapped), the cult of work as a duty to your homeland, as in some cases also strong racism (to my knowledge this is not a feature of italian fascism, but rather other forms of nazism/fascism).

So now, what is communism? According to marxists and anarchists, communism is the stateless, peaceful, egalitarian society. However, marxists believe an intermediary step is required to reach communism: the dictatorship of the proletariat, which has led to countless deaths and suffering. So if “dictatorship of the proletariat” is your definition of communism, then i would almost agree with you “communism” is just as bad as “fascism”. However, there still are some differences:

  • women’s rights (and often gay rights) are faring well under marxism-leninism ; that is, women are equal in their right to be exploited by the State
  • most leninist regimes, despite their atrocities, are not known for putting forward racial theories and committing genocides (although Stalin in the USSR had quite some genociding on his hands)

So no, it’s not the same. And in any way, most people you will meet through life will talk about communism as the principle free and equal society. That is, the abolition of privileges (remember 1789?) and freedom and equality for all. In this anarchist understanding of communism, then really there’s nothing wrong with communism.

Free association + Mutual aid + Solidarity against domination = <3 Short introduction to anarchism i wrote in another topic

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@developred
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Distributing pallets of bricks at protests is pretty damn bad… Not that most of antifa does that but large elements of it do encourage violence.

The police literally did that

@canteen
-101Y

That doesn’t invalidate the fact that antifa protestors did too, which I believe was the point of /u/I_Mod_Things comment.

Citation?

@aeroplain
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@darth_tiktaalik
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@Defcon1
-181Y

Too much politics for an open source project in my opinion

Fer
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Not just a lot of politics, but a lot of censorship from sympathizers of communism / socialism or movements like antifa.

@pistachio
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that’s very little politics, they’re banning one single political ideology. And fascism is an ideology that’s fundamentally incompatible with the concept of human rights, whose need of respect in the 21st century should be taken for granted and shouldn’t be a political question, i.e. a question which is answered in the political discourse, at all. So yeah, little politics. Fascism = bad, should be universally recognized as true. Nationalism per se not necessarily bad, but palingenetic ultranationalism, which is definition of fascism I’m using, definitely.

edit: hi lemmy, first post here

Maya
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71Y

welcome :D

@canteen
161Y

This is the instance, not the project. The code itself is still as apolitical as ever - even though I have yet to meet a fascist Rust developer.

How exactly is “being against the concept of fascism” too much politics? Because that’s what the term “antifa” abbreviates for, nothing more.

@Dargoth
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You’re right, being against fascism isn’t ‘too much politics’. However, “This is an antifa instance” being the first thing on the front page of the instance certainly is. It shows that the admin’s political stance is important enough to them that it’s the first thing they want everyone seeing. Between this, the AMA on reddit, and across the instances, the dev’s political leanings seem to be inserted wherever and whenever possible.

Nothing’s wrong with politics. Hell, I even share very similar views to those here, I just think that kind of discussion is better suited to a politics-based community, and not as multiple posts plastered on the front page.

@Defcon1
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It’s a political movement

Fascism itself is also a political movement. Of course the movement against it is also political, but I don’t think it’s “too” political.

@Defcon1
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I’d have said the same thing even for proclamed fascism. I just prefer politics free stuff, It works better with everything

Except literally everything can be political. Even the very idea of open source.

@Defcon1
-51Y

Yes I know, and that’s not great as I sad

@muirrum
111Y

There’s no way to completely get away from politics, it’s just so pervasive in modern culture. If an open-source project is going to take a political stance, this is one that’s high on the list of not-bad politics

@Dargoth
01Y

Well not plastering it on the front page of the instance is a good start.

@otso
71Y

why? are we worried about offending the facists? not to make “too political” a stance but facists should be offended (at the very least)

@Dargoth
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are we worried about offending the facists?

Of course not. I’m just saying that things are just a bit too politically charged here to the point of feeling preachy. I guess it’s fine if the devs only want lemmy to be a platform for political activists, but for your everyday people just wanting to share funny memes, talk about tech, games, etc, it can be a little offputting, even if they personally agree with the stance.

@muesli
181Y

I don’t understand how being anti-racist can possibly be controversial in any way… and if it is for you, then I’m not sure what that says about you.

@Dargoth
11Y

Did you reply to the wrong guy, because he didn’t say or even remotely imply that being against racism is a controversial stance.

@cipherpunk
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I can’t see which post you’re replying to. These thread lines are an optical illusion.

Antifa’s method of activism is controversial

While there is nothing controversial about being anti-racist, Antifa is not simply anti-racist. It’s the style of activism that’s controversial. From wikipedia:

Antifa is an anti-fascist political movement in the United States[2][3][4][5] comprising a diverse[6][7] array of autonomous groups that aim to achieve their objectives through the use of both non-violent and violent direct action rather than through policy reform.[8][9][10][11] Antifa political activists engage in protest tactics such as digital activism and militancy,[11][12] sometimes involving property damage, physical violence and harassment, against fascists, racists and the far-right

Petitioning for policy reform is relatively non-controversial. But that’s not Antifa. Obviously some of the more extreme actions (e.g. violence and property destruction) are controversial - and Antifa is open to them.

Antifa’s ideology is controversial

Components of Antifa ideology:

  • anti-racism (non-controversial of course)
  • anti-capitalism (obviously controversial and IMO unpopular)
  • anarchy (obviously controversial and IMO unpopular)

I can’t even get my head around how it’s possible to be both anti-capitalist and anarchist at the same time. Anarchy is also favored by the extreme right, and obviously anarchy is a recipe for pure uncontrolled capitalism – most oppressive form of capitalism. What am I missing?

Lemmy censorship

In the case of lemmy.ml leadership, what we see is extreme censorship. We’re not just talking censorship of trashy messages. I recently posted a thread on the status of the cock.li email servers, and it was censored because the word “cock” appeared in the domain name. (proof). Obviously it’s essential to mention the domain name of the service we’re talking about.

No one will care if racist msgs get censored, but any post that’s incompatible with an anti-capitalist or anti-government viewpoint is also likely to be censored when you see how fast and loose they are with the censor trigger.

@Defcon1
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So am I racist because I’m not an antifa nor a fascist? Do I need to be an antifa to be anti-racist?

@nutomic
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Fascism and racism have a large overlap, because they both target the same minorities. So yes, I think anti-racism needs to include anti-fascism.

@Defcon1
-91Y

So that makes me a half racist, good to know

@muesli
41Y

It’s not a group you sign up for. If you’re not a racist, then yes, your most natural stance is being against fascism: antifa.

@nutomic
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111Y

The right amount of politics for us, but feel free to go back to Reddit.

@Dargoth
71Y

This kind of stuff is why some people left reddit.

@otso
51Y

lol. if reddit was too left for you you might not find a platform “neutral” cough(far right) enough for you

@Dargoth
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I never said or implied that. This trend of assuming anyone who disagrees with you is ‘far right’ or ‘alt-right’ helps nothing. Also curious is how all of my comments in this thread suddenly have 1 more downvote than a few hours ago before you replied. Probably just chance.

That aside, I actually agree with the views here, I just don’t like being beaten over the head with it platform-wide.

@otso
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I didn’t read the usernames, but it looks like i did downvote you a few times. I don’t think anyone who disagrees with me is facist but if being anti facist is too radical for you, you’re fairly far right

@Dargoth
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Well again, I never said anti-facist was too radical for me. With all due respect, I think you’re a little too quick to label people ‘far right’. I agree with your sentiment, I agree and absolutely would consider myself and any sane person antifa; my only disagreement is with how hard political views are pushed here. I want lemmy to succeed and I know that even if they agree with the views presented here, pontential users could be turned off by how zealous it comes off sometimes.

@anonymous
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@Defcon1
21Y

Just going back and forth

@nutomic
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11Y

Same tbh

@ajz
mod
101Y

The open source project Lichess didn’t stay neutral in the past, and this week again they didn’t. https://lichess.org/blog/Xtz5iBAAACMASQAf/black-lives-matter I can imagine that some angry users will jump ship now ;-)

@nutomic
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91Y

Heh maybe we should also make a statement like that but I dont know if we’re big enough that anyone would care.

@ajz
mod
71Y

Changing the mind of just one person can have a snowball effect and to me I feel that Lemmy already reached some critical mass :)

@Defcon1
01Y

No need to jump ship for me

@aeroplain
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SnowCode
21Y

I thought the same thing, but when I look at https://itsfoss.com/linux-code-of-conduct/ comments I feel sometimes depressed.

@aeroplain
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SnowCode
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Really, where they all high when they written such things? I will loose faith in humanity.

@aeroplain
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SnowCode
21Y

They are against diversity in a lot of comments because they prefer meritocracy. But open-source byitself is the definition of diversity.

Do those people are doing job interviews to every single person who is posting an issue or a pull request on their project to be sure that the person is good enough for them to accept a pull request from?

@anonymous
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@Defcon1
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I have an opinion but this is not connected with my political view in any way, at least for me. I’m gonna say that’s the problem with FOSS

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@canteen
11Y

all coercive and unjust forms of hierarchy should be dismantled

I found it a bit hilarious that the comment just above this one (in another comment chain) is removed by mod and the user was banned. Is using moderators on Lemmy a just hierarchy, I wonder :P

I understand why you cannot go “100% Free Speech Allowed” (and Contrapoints once made the best argument I’ve seen for why this is, but I found the contrast quite funny.

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@canteen
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Well, allow me to RP Socrates for a moment and ask: What IS a “coercive and unjust” hierarchy? Too often, I’ve found people to be imagining those words to mean wildly different things. And obviously, if people can’t agree on what it means to be a “coercive and unjust hierarchy” then it becomes way harder to know whether you are fighting them.

(no, I’m not a fascist apologist. Fuck fascists. I’m just concerned about mob psychology sometimes taking on a life of its own, especially when it is fighting for a “just cause”)

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