China is in the news every day now. Today here in Australia we’re pretending to be offended because a Chinese tabloid published the…

@Eli
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Thanks for posting this.

@Micalet
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Hong Kong and Taiwan always were China

And China is well known over MILLENNIALS to be an earth of exquisite DIPLOMACY not annexing or invading as the USA or UK still do.

ZERO colonies in several thousands of years being the most advanced civilization, with gunpowder, paper rice citric fruits and pasta it would have been very easy to conquer all the world, and they didn’t, preferring commerce and the silk route.

And that is the problem for the barbaric UK and USA empire, gun power is not an arm against the oldest empire with more diplomacy knowledge and “savior fair” than any other ever was.

You seem to have a very warped view of history.

Hong Kong and Taiwan always were China

I do not know what you mean with the use of ‘always’. Taiwan was first inhabited by their aborigine people and Hakka immigrants, until the Dutch colonised it around 1624. Then it was annexed by the Qing dynasty. This lead to many many rebellions against their imperial rule. Later it was seceded to Taiwan around the end of the 19th century, and since then it has never been controlled by the PRC.

And China is well known over MILLENNIALS to be an earth of exquisite DIPLOMACY not annexing or invading as the USA or UK still do.

In recent years China has annexed Tibet, and in the past Taiwan, Manchuria, Korea, and parts of Vietnam to name a few. Where do you think they got their territory from? The people already living there happily gave it away? It was conquered.

ZERO colonies in several thousands of years being the most advanced civilization, with gunpowder, paper rice citric fruits and pasta it would have been very easy to conquer all the world, and they didn’t, preferring commerce and the silk route.

China also has a history filled with internal strive, infighting, and constant attempts at greater control. China is already the size where it can be considered an empire. They might not have colonised, but around the time when naval technology was advanced enough to actually start colonies, China was already starting to fall behind some European nations. So your point is quite irrelevant.

I don’t entirely agree when the author seems to suggest that China absolutely does not want to take over the world. While evidence is at somewhat circumstantial, a aggressively nationalistic government with a history of annexing/invading territories (Tibet, Vietnam, Hong Kong), and current clear aggressive language towards invading another country (Taiwan), there is some basis for these concerns.

While they might not be after global domination right now, there is also historical precedent.

The rest I agree with mostly. The US and other western nations like to see themselves as free and liberal, while they aren’t that different from authoritarian regimes. I do however have better hope of reform within a western nation, than an openly totalitarian regime like China.

The goal should be to fight oppression everywhere. In ‘liberal’ nations, and in dictatorships.

@nutomic
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Taiwan is not another country. Both Taiwan and the PRC claim the same territorries, and both represent the Chinese state. In fact, Taiwan even claims parts of Mongolia as their own.

And it says a lot about reform in western nations when not even a social imperialist like Sanders can run for president.

Edit: Taiwans territorial claims

@bytesnake
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I’ve never understand this sentiment on both sides (I mean I’m german and I don’t have any desire to annex Austria only because we speak the same language) I lived and studied half a year in Taiwan and at least from the local population nobody claims china 😅 as I understood it this is like a game, started back when Taiwan was still under martial law, and then continued till today, but as the power shifted to China, it is used by China more as bargain for reunification and Taiwan fears backslash when it pulls itself out of this game … I read an article on a push for legalislation on Taiwan side here

From this comment I can tell you are way out of your depth, and commenting on things you have very little actual understanding of. I’d advise you to dive a little deeper than the surface before making claims.

Taiwan claims all of their former territory in their constitution, adopted in 1947. This was towards the end of the civil war, a few years before the establishment of the PRC, and when the nationalist party of the KMT would retreat to Taiwan. However, since the PRC also claims all the territory of the ROC, seeing themselves as the rightful successor, Taiwan is now locked into their old constitution. Changing the constitution, would be an act of succession and thus war.

This is however not at all in line with either the status quo or public opinion. The status quo is that Taiwan is a fully independent nation, with it’s own military, foreign relations, and China has zero influence over the vibrant newly democratic island nation.

In terms of public opinion, the opinion especially now is firmly against re-unification with the PRC, especially under current circumstances. This stance has pretty much always polled abysmal single digit numbers. Some nationalists still favour ‘closer’ ties with China, both their numbers are decreasing every year. The vast majority of the country favours the status quo independence (out of fear for Chinese military aggression) or declaring independence outright.

So while the legal documents might make those claims, no one actually takes those seriously, or actually wants those claims. However changing them would risk an invasion.

EDIT: When you’re too busy cock-sucking an totalitarian oppressive dictatorship that you don’t have any time to support actual socialist principles like freedom and equality. Downvote what you want, you don’t give a shit about socialism.

@aeroplain
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You posted a lot of good and quite accurate information.

Not only would there be legislative difficulty with changing the constitution, there would also be the fear of Chinese retaliation. The PRC considers themselves the successor of the ROC. Because of this, they also still lay claims on Taiwan. And if the ROC were to dissolve, and form a new independent nation of Taiwan, this would be a casus belli for the PRC, and they’ve said as much before.

EDIT: When you’re too busy cock-sucking an totalitarian oppressive dictatorship that you don’t have any time to support actual socialist principles like freedom and equality. Downvote what you want, you don’t give a shit about socialism.

People’s Republic of China implements the “One country, two systems” policy.

The implementation of one country two systems has nothing to do with Taiwan, since Taiwan is independent.

@developred
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