Plea for using English in the community c/worldnews

Hello everybody,

recently, I saw many posts on Spanish (correct me, if I am wrong). Since, this forum is supposed to serve anyone, I’d suggest, that international communities should stick to English. Otherwise, it discriminates people who aren’t able to talk the alternate language.

Additionally, nobody will join an international community, if 3 of the 4 lasts posts are in a non-neutral language.

If someone sees an interesting newspaper article or blog entry, just try to find another article about the same topic on English. There’s barely any topic, that isn’t also covered on English. Especially not in the domain of “world politics”.

If you think, the article you found, covers the subject better in the native language, then post this entry in a community, that is more related to your target group. e.g. Portuguese articles about the rain forest catastrophe in Brazil can be posted in c/brazil (haven’t checked if it exists). If there’s a similar newspaper article, that covers the same topic on English, then feel free to post it here.

It would be amazing, if the community agrees with my concern to not discriminate other people of the community.

Thanks, if people consider this.

EDIT: To offer the result of the discussion (for mods and other people who prefer a summary)

TLDR: My claim does not represent the common opinion. Hence, English should not become a rule in c/worldnews. Apparently, the community agrees that English, as a universal language, would restrict others from actively participating in this community.

@AgreeableLandscape
mod
admin
5
edit-2
1Y

First of all: https://www.deepl.com/translator

it discriminates people who aren’t able to talk the alternate language.

What you’re proposing literally discriminates against everyone else.

@randomrhino
creator
21Y

As I said, I am not a native English speaker. I just agree, that it’s more inviting than non-universal languages. That’s the quintessence of my claim.

I thought, it might prevent discrimination. But apparently, I was wrong.

@nutomic
admin
51Y

I dont know if this is the best idea, because if all the main communities are limited to English, it will end up like Reddit where content in other languages barely exists at all. I hope that we can implement a proper solution for this sooner or later.

https://github.com/dessalines/lemmy/issues/440

Dessalines
admin
51Y

I have come around on this, I really like the idea of language being a user filter, rather than a community standard. This should help avoid the dominance of english and let a single community have a variety of languages.

After all, it’s world news, not world news but only English articles please and thank you.

@kuarup
41Y

I agree. Reddit and Raddle basically live in an English monologue, our wealth is in diversity

@appa
41Y

As a person who can only speak one language (guess which one) I mostly disagree with this concept. The only reason I could see for wanting to restrict languages is lack of trusted moderation.

@oriond
11Y

Seems like we have some language racism already going on here

@randomrhino
creator
11Y

Wasn’t me, to clarify. Just because I have a different opinion on some things, doesn’t mean, I would segregate someone or downvote them because they do not agree with me.

(Just in case, if you address me with this post)

Perhaps the mods should describe the rules properly, in order for all of us to not guess whether it’s an English-only community, or an all-languages one?

@randomrhino
creator
01Y

To support my plea:

1: Reddit has plenty of non-English subreddits. This is exactly what happens when a platform gets more and more common. With a larger diversity in people, it gets more diverse in terms of languages and subcultures.

2: I did not ask for shaping lemmy to an English-only community. Otherwise I wouldn’t request it in c/worldnews

3: My plea is related to c/worldnews. If someone is incapable of finding a source on English, shouldn’t the person reconsider if it is actual c/worldnews? Or maybe a more regional community as c/<insert country of choice>

4: I think English is the only non-restricting language. Posting something in another language restricts the majority of users from participating in the discussion. If c/worldnews aims for a diverse community, then it should aim for a rather neutral language.

I am not a native English speaker, but do agree, that English is the universal language (aka. world language). And if something is called “world language”, then it’s more than appropriate in a community called “world news”.

Don’t get me wrong, I love to see diversity in a community. I just feel myself excluded from a couple of discussions in this community. And if it excludes some people from the discussion, then it’s more restricting than using a universal language. Don’t you guys agree?

Yours rr

@nutomic
admin
41Y

1: Reddit has plenty of non-English subreddits. This is exactly what happens when a platform gets more and more common. With a larger diversity in people, it gets more diverse in terms of languages and subcultures.

Which languages do you speak? In my experience, there is almost nothing in other languages than English, outside of country or city specific communities.

2: I did not ask for shaping lemmy to an English-only community. Otherwise I wouldn’t request it in c/worldnews

Luckily this is a community decision, and so far it seems like the community doesnt really support your proposal. I dont understand Portuguese either, but thats how things work in an international community. Banning other languages is not a good solution.

3: My plea is related to c/worldnews. If someone is incapable of finding a source on English, shouldn’t the person reconsider if it is actual c/worldnews? Or maybe a more regional community as c/<insert country of choice>

There are plenty of news that are important, but might not be translated in other languages yet. This logic means that anything from English-speaking countries is fine, but there will be almost no news from countries that speak other languages.

4: I think English is the only non-restricting language. Posting something in another language restricts the majority of users from participating in the discussion. If c/worldnews aims for a diverse community, then it should aim for a rather neutral language.

No, it doesnt restrict anyone, no one is forced to read those posts in other languages. In fact, you are trying to restrict anyone who speaks other languages from posting here.

There is no such thing as a “universal language”, just languages that a particular number of people have in common. For people in the western world that might be English, but there are plenty of places where this common language is something else, for example Spanish or Mandarin. Limiting this community to English only would be a very western-centric view and I dont like that.

@appa
31Y

I see where you’re coming from. But it’s not world news if the world can’t post. Perhaps we as users need to step up with google translate and post equivalent articles in English. Or maybe Lemmy already needs it’s first bot 😀

I like /u/nutmonic’s point about #440. I think that would be an elegant solution.

@randomrhino
creator
11Y

I agree with the claimed issue. I just dislike the fact, that I will be forced to make another click to get the results I am looking for. But that’s not part of this post

@pinheirodeabrantes
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edit-2
6M

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