• @southerntofu
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      You probably meant arms for the Spanish republic (1936), as it was being coup’ed by Franco supported by Germany/Italy and the western liberal democracies refused to intervene, because it would irritate Mussolini/Hitler and could trigger a war, or so they said. Note that Stalin’s USSR did provide some weapons to revolutionary Spain, but under the condition they be attributed to a hierarchical military (dismantling the people’s militias) and that women aren’t allowed to fight… and of course those weapons were used by the Spanish Communist Party to terrorize the local population or outright murder self-organized workers cooperatives such as during the Telefonica battle.

      • @VictimOfReligion@lemmygrad.ml
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        No, if you want to use this Spanish Civil War, you should use “arm the Nacionales against the Republicans!”

        We are talking about Ukraine, remember?

        • @southerntofu
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          If you consider the Russian government or its puppets to be anything resembling a “republic” you need a reality check. I’m not saying western “democracy” is good by our political standards, but from stories i gather from Belarus/Russia/Chechen comrades there’s nothing comparable with the levels of atrocity they endure.

          Ukrainians have by far more political freedom and personal autonomy (including women/LGBT rights) than Russians. Anarchists and queers on both sides of the border stand against imperialist/fascist aggression from Putin so i’ve chosen my side. Are you siding with Putin and his oligarchs, or with revolutionary internationalist militants?

          • I’m against chauvinists like you and the NATO, which you blindly support. Also,all that you said… You’re just dunked in liberal media, my diarrhea is more revolutionary than Ukrainians right now, liberal shill.

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              Wow. You should no i’m not a chauvinist: i’m a proud anti-nationalist (although i do understand “nationalism” in an anti-colonial revolutionary context), and i don’t support NATO. I don’t usually consume liberal media, my sources on what’s happening in Ukraine/Russia is from first-hand testimony by anarchist comrades, and from anarchist sources like crimethinc.com.

              You’re just supporting a patriarchal, capitalist and imperialist government and military invading foreign territory. You’re just a tool of the system and a counter-revolutionary. See, i too can make useless judgements of someone i don’t know.

              • I’m supporting the liberation of Donbass and the de-nazification of any country and the legitimacy of a country with many more millons of people to live without the menace of the NATO.

                You Anarchists have shown again and again to be no different than radlibs with just some punk aesthetics and no contextualization of absolutely nothing, and be the firsts to unite against anti-imperialist countries in this context and join liberals in the demonizing of actual Socialist states and states that are against the anglosphere.

                A leftist would fucking join the current Russian invasion to fucking kill Nazis, not join the Nazi State of Ukraine to defend them like you are doing.

                “muh antinationalism” until it’s protecting fucking nathcaths and literal fucking nazis.

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                  I’m supporting the liberation of Donbass and the de-nazification of any country

                  Good, me too. However, do you understand that painting a people/society as inherently evil in order to invade them is a neocolonial trope? For recent examples, see Afghanistan/Iraq/Libya.

                  live without the menace of the NATO

                  That would be great! But it should not be your only worry. All imperialist militaries (as opposed to peoples militias such as EZLN in Chiapas) are inherently bad for peoples. If NATO were to suddenly disappear over night, we’d have the very same problems we have today but with France/Russia/China responsible. Oh wait that’s already the case: who knew someone could be a colonizer and not be NATO?

                  Anarchists (…) the firsts to unite against anti-imperialist countries in this context and join liberals in the demonizing of actual Socialist states and states that are against the anglosphere

                  Wow that’s quite a broad and misinformed take. There’s a long history of anarchist anti-colonialism and i’ve yet to meet anarchists siding with French/USA empire (though i don’t doubt such people might exist in some internet margins). But i’ve certainly met my fair share of MLs and maoists supporting racist neocolonial policies here in France: for example some “far-left” (i would personally say red-brown) organizations have been very involved in demonizing veiled muslim women and supporting counter-insurrection and State propaganda in the popular suburbs.

                  A leftist would fucking join the current Russian invasion to fucking kill Nazis, not join the Nazi State of Ukraine to defend them like you are doing.

                  Then why are so many leftists joining the peoples militias of Ukraine? Why are political refugees from Belarus or Russia taking arms against their own Empire? If you want to kill nazis, no need to move abroad, there’s an abundance of those in Western Europe, Russia, North America… And then again, compared to the colonial/racist history of say France or Russia, saying Ukraine is a nazi country is a far-stretched that’s completely disconnected from the daily lives or ordinary people, although it’s important to point out that racism does exist there and was exacerbated since the war started. You don’t fight nazism by supporting an authoritarian reactionary State.

                  “muh antinationalism” until it’s protecting fucking nathcaths and literal fucking nazis.

                  If you’re looking for reactionary christian nationalists, look no further than Russia or France. Putin has been hand in hand with the orthodox patriarchs reinforcing the moral control over society, via the widespread reeducation center for queer/punk youth and the ban of LGBT propaganda. I appreciate that you’re trying to point out my contradictions (and to be clear i don’t support/condone NATO in any way) but please take a minute to reflect on your own. Maybe read some critique from Russian leftists who can tell you about the political police, the social control in everyday life, and Russian racism and cultural supremacy?

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      Not doing anything against fascist governments invading foreign countries will not save anyone from fascism. WTF is wrong with these people? Do they even have a foot on reality?

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          Azov is just one battalion in the national guard, it’s not representative of Ukraine. France/Russia have MANY fascists/nazis in the military too, if that concerns you: why pretend Ukraine is an exception?

          Also, note that i’m not defending a Nation State attacking regions declaring their autonomy, but from what i gathered the situation isn’t exactly as clear cut either, as Russian military/establishment invaded those regions, took control of key infrastructure (including identity papers) then organized a sham referendum for which ballots had been pre-filled “yes”. It’s straight from the playbook of colonial aggression, not very far from what the US did in Iraq/Afghanistan for example.

          • Azov is a batallion officiallized by the fucking government in Ukraine. Have you been blind this hole time, or are you just a fucking liberal?

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              Azov is one of many battalions that were incorporated into the national guard. Anyone can now mount civil militias which for example the anarchists have done since the invasion. Azov and neo-nazi culture does not have practical political power in Ukraine. See also how many seats nazi/fascist parties have in Ukraine vs in Russia or in the rest of Europe. Hell they even have a jewish president and that pisses the hell out of ukrainian nazis ;)

              I strongly recommend this video from a ukrainian leftist which addresses some key propaganda points.

              • Azov was officiallized after the coup d’etat in 2014-15, the Maidan topic, it’s not something new,and even fucking liberal media spoke about the Nazi problem Ukraine was already having and now is currently worse to the point armed civilians are hunting down precisely LGBTs, non-whites, Gipsies, Russophones from the Donbass, alleged thieves, and more.

                And that’s it “the president is Jewish, therefore, he can’t be the nazi he is!” because what the Jewish call “capos” never existed, huh? How can you be this naive?

                And of course, anarchists make this, they are the first to die and kill for the current hegemony, never fails lmao.

                Let me guess, you think “authoritarian” is a therm that has an actual meaning in politics that actually matters, right?

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          Did you just say that Russia is “not invading”? Come on dude. It’s even low for bootlickers to say that.

        • @southerntofu
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          Russia is neither fascist nor it is invading.

          Russia is both these things. Ask Russians involved in political activities and they will tell you all about it. Repression against antifascist/anarchist/queer movements has been strong across the Russian empire this past decade.

          Also, how can you say it’s not invading foreign territories? You can spit out State propaganda all you like to justify the invasion, but it’s materially impossible to deny there’s a military invasion going on.

          But if that were the case, “doing a thing” must mean something different that sending your own people to die.

          I entirely agree, i’m certainly not in favor of a NATO military intervention. I am though certainly in favor of arming peoples militias and revolutionary movements across the planet, which of course is not aligned with NATO/Russian interests.

          You do not care about Ukrainians, you are anti-Russia.

          You know nothing about me and yet you judge. For almost twenty years now i’ve been involved in various refugee solidarity networks across western Europe. This includes political organizing with people coming from all regions of the Russian Empire who all are “anti-Russia” as you say (just like i’m anti-France). So i do care about the people whether from Ukraine or Russia or anywhere else. But as much as my anarchist side shouts “BURN ALL STATES AND BORDERS” my anti-colonial stance makes me support ukrainian resistance against the invasion. Just like as much as i am critical of Venezuelan government, i can only stand in support of them against US neocolonial policies.