Without getting too deep in to it, CH has pushed race hatred for decades while hiding behind a uniquely French bullshitting about Liberté, égalité, fraternité and “just asking questions”/“it’s just a prank bro!”
A few fewer French imperialist propagandists does not bring me tears.
The argument that they also mocked Christians and other religions actually highlights why their claims to be satire are bullshit; Christians in France are not subject to the same systematic racism and violence as Muslims, Algerians, and other minorities. They gleefully engage in and spread systematic violence against vulnerable minorities while hiding behind shallow “We attack everybody” .
I suppose I should specify; I don’t care who attacked them. I’d be just as pleased if a gas explosion did them in or they were hit by a meteorite. I’m not particularly fussed about what brings down my enemies as long as they’re dead. I don’t think they “deserved it”.
Yeah sorry, this was a stupid hill for me to try and die on, I did some more reading about all the stuff they had put out and I think Ram was more right about how they’ve been covered and reported in English language media than I realized
You don’t need to apologize. Your statement was reasonable based on what you knew. When you were presented with a different perspective you did some investigation and came to a different understanding. That is admirable.
I mean yeah, but that’s not really relevant to anything he was saying. Let’s not do vaguely ‘do you condemn Hamas’ stuff to comrades. Maybe that’s not what you intended, but that’s how it reads.
It isn’t what I intended, but I appreciate your benefit of the doubt.
Resistance to genocide and apartheid isn’t comparable with shooting up a newspaper office. Charlie Hebdo put out cartoons mocking Jesus, the Pope, and Mohammed. I’m not defending their depiction of Mohammed but I don’t think “rest in piss” to the people killed over cartoons is warranted. People should be able to mock religions without getting killed over it.
Not saying that this necessarily justifies anything, but a lot of the content put out by Charlie Hebdo was just straight up racist and could not possibly be interpreted in any other way. The idea that all they did was mock religion got heavily pushed by the media after the attack, but it simply isn’t true.
They published racist comics, and I won’t defend that. The thing is they weren’t killed cause it was racist, they were killed because they published a depiction of Mohammed. I mean look at their depiction of Jesus, God, and the Holy Spirit. If the characters depicted were brown, it would be racist too.
Yeah I just wanted to be abundantly clear that what I’m saying is not in anyway a defense of their racist comics, but more a condemnation of celebrating religious violence.
Unless I missed an edit, I don’t see anything like that being said or implied, that’s all, so it read to me as introducing the Hebdo shootings as an oddly undermining non-sequitar.
I didn’t assume that that was your intention, and I’m glad it wasn’t. Maybe my ‘between the lines’ detector is a bit oversensative today. And I didn’t mean to turn this into a tangent about the shootings (quite the opposite in fact), but oops I guess.
If it were a non-settler nation it happened to, I might be inclined to agree with you; but because it’s the fuckin French, a million more on their soil I say. I make no excuses and I expect none to be made for the end result of crackers fucking around.
Don’t kill 12 random employees over cartoons imo
Without getting too deep in to it, CH has pushed race hatred for decades while hiding behind a uniquely French bullshitting about Liberté, égalité, fraternité and “just asking questions”/“it’s just a prank bro!”
A few fewer French imperialist propagandists does not bring me tears.
The argument that they also mocked Christians and other religions actually highlights why their claims to be satire are bullshit; Christians in France are not subject to the same systematic racism and violence as Muslims, Algerians, and other minorities. They gleefully engage in and spread systematic violence against vulnerable minorities while hiding behind shallow “We attack everybody”
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I suppose I should specify; I don’t care who attacked them. I’d be just as pleased if a gas explosion did them in or they were hit by a meteorite. I’m not particularly fussed about what brings down my enemies as long as they’re dead. I don’t think they “deserved it”.
Yeah sorry, this was a stupid hill for me to try and die on, I did some more reading about all the stuff they had put out and I think Ram was more right about how they’ve been covered and reported in English language media than I realized
You don’t need to apologize. Your statement was reasonable based on what you knew. When you were presented with a different perspective you did some investigation and came to a different understanding. That is admirable.
This place truly is an oasis.
I mean yeah, but that’s not really relevant to anything he was saying. Let’s not do vaguely ‘do you condemn Hamas’ stuff to comrades. Maybe that’s not what you intended, but that’s how it reads.
It isn’t what I intended, but I appreciate your benefit of the doubt.
Resistance to genocide and apartheid isn’t comparable with shooting up a newspaper office. Charlie Hebdo put out cartoons mocking Jesus, the Pope, and Mohammed. I’m not defending their depiction of Mohammed but I don’t think “rest in piss” to the people killed over cartoons is warranted. People should be able to mock religions without getting killed over it.
Not saying that this necessarily justifies anything, but a lot of the content put out by Charlie Hebdo was just straight up racist and could not possibly be interpreted in any other way. The idea that all they did was mock religion got heavily pushed by the media after the attack, but it simply isn’t true.
They published racist comics, and I won’t defend that. The thing is they weren’t killed cause it was racist, they were killed because they published a depiction of Mohammed. I mean look at their depiction of Jesus, God, and the Holy Spirit. If the characters depicted were brown, it would be racist too.
CW: Cartoon depiction of sex
Double CW
Oh, I definitely wouldn’t think you would! I just think it’s worth pointing out as there are still a lot of people who aren’t aware of it.
Yeah I just wanted to be abundantly clear that what I’m saying is not in anyway a defense of their racist comics, but more a condemnation of celebrating religious violence.
Unless I missed an edit, I don’t see anything like that being said or implied, that’s all, so it read to me as introducing the Hebdo shootings as an oddly undermining non-sequitar.
I didn’t assume that that was your intention, and I’m glad it wasn’t. Maybe my ‘between the lines’ detector is a bit oversensative today. And I didn’t mean to turn this into a tangent about the shootings (quite the opposite in fact), but oops I guess.
It’s right there
You’re completely right. I just totally blanked on it. Apologies for that. I think I’m more exhausted than I realise.
If it were a non-settler nation it happened to, I might be inclined to agree with you; but because it’s the fuckin French, a million more on their soil I say. I make no excuses and I expect none to be made for the end result of crackers fucking around.
I’m like 70 percent sure the guys that shot up CH were funded by the CIA.
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