Communities that promote misleading information and conspiracy theories should be not allowed.

PS I propose to add this rule to lemmy.ml rules

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Done, sorry about the right wing spammers yall. I’ve been quite busy with coding recently.

edit: Also, I’m not sure where they’re brigading from, but just keep using the report button and we’ll get to them as soon as we’re able.

Thanks a lot!

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o7

They’re plural? It’s probably 1 person.

My instance already has a rule “No Nazis, QAnon or conspiracy whackos”, I banned the founder of that community.

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lol how this comment could get downvoted :)

realcaseyrollins
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Some people don’t like censorship and fascism I guess

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Oh dang. Antifa supports fascism.

Guess I wasn’t wrong.

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Fascism is when you crush fascism out of existence.

realcaseyrollins
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Nah fascism is authoritarianism and discrimination, both of which Antifa strongly support for the most part

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ayyyyyyyy I have my first fan!

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CHEF-KOCH
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Please give…

  • Nazis
  • People who spread right-winged ideology
  • Conspiracy people
  • Pedos

… never a voice on Lemmy.

Such people and groups abuse platforms to win new people for their purposes or to confuse, lie and deceive others.

Thanks for reaction so fast in this case btw.

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Please note that there is nothing inherently wrong with conspiracy theories. I think it should be obvious that there have been tons of big conspiracies throughout history. Uncovering current ones is probably in the interest of most people and should not be frowned upon.

What you consider conspiracy people are probably only those with baseless claims or just plain wrong arguments and I agree with @nutomic@lemmy.ml here: As long as the discussions are civil and presented facts not obviously wrong, I do not see a problem.

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Conspiracy

As long as the discussions are civil and presented facts not obviously wrong, I do not see a problem.

This contradicts itself, if something is a fact then it is not a conspiracy theory.

I highly disagree here, I see a lot of problems spreading shit like 5G causes Covid and such discussions, they confuse others, they have no value at all and they are beyond anything. To the best of my knowledge is not a conspiracy theory discussion btw. There is a difference, this is what you actually mean.

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This contradicts itself, if something is a fact then it is not a conspiracy theory.

This is no contradiction. The thing is often not all facts are available and there is a lot of room for interpretation. For example, looking back at history: The tobacco industry claims nicotine is not addictive. Facts: At the time not entirely clear to the public. Should you be allowed to discuss about the tobacco industry conspiring: Yes, absolutely.

But it seems the meaning for conspiracy theory has shifted to theories only crackpots come up with and stuff that generally is not true. The original meaning of the two words taken separately still makes a lot of sense to me. Also how would you call a theory about a conspiracy that is actually likely to be true?

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  • If facts or scientific research is not available then it is simply a normal discussion, rumour or suggestion. This is still a difference and not per-se a conspiracy.
  • Facts and conspiracy theory have nothing to with each one another, you can also spread conspiracy theories with, so-called facts that might be contradicted or debunked later based on new research evidence or on misinformation. Combining everything usually goes hand in hand, someone thinks he knows xyz and then start to spread moral panic.
  • You mix conspiracy people, as generalization term with people who deliberately spread misinformation.

Now drop the topic, this thread here is not about conspiracy people and I am not here to explain you what it is, check Wikipedia.

You were posting links to suspicious US government sites until recently… And you’re a creator of the Brave community, which is a privacy fiasco. Is that conspiracy too?

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  • I do not post suspicious US government sites, what is a suspicious website anyway if its not malware, scam or designed to spread propaganda.
  • Brave is no privacy fiasco, this is nonsense.

Always 10 post people like you who clown up … Think they know better. I am impressed.

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During the late 1990s the overwhelming majority of people in my community believed in creationism and were against teaching the theory of evolution. I witnessed several debates in which metaphysics, the bible, and bad statistics were used to argue in favor of creationism. But even in these debates the opposition was highly controlled. The works of authors such as Christopher Hitchens and Richard Dawkins were forbidden, and these authors were demonized because they were ‘immoral atheists’. I was dumbfounded by the degree to which the catholic majority would censor and distort information.

Regardless of whether I agree with the majority or not on a given topic, I would never fight for censorship because you never know when you will be part of the minority that the majority has chosen to label as “misleading” or “demonic” or “conspiratorial” or whatever.

On the other hand… There is clearly some trolling/baiting/spamming going on in that community. I think that if you ban the community or the user they will continue trying to stir drama. Looks like some kind of trolling weekend project. I am not sure what the best way to deal with that is.

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Yhe purpose of rules and moderation is that everyone behaves well, eithoit personal insults etc. Not to decide what is true or false (thats what discussions are for).

If its really misinformation like you say, it should be no problem to debunk it with actual arguments. And if you dont like the community, you can personally block it.

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I understand your point, but I think what we all learned very recently is that idiots will be idiots regardless of what you show them.

Look at people from /r/joerogan for example, antivax and antimasks and such. No matter what information you show them, they always have their own biased (non factual, wrong) sources. They just hide in that. Is it not better to just cut the propagation of false information from the start? Avoid the congregation of sick/wrong ideas?

As they say, you can’t convince someone with facts out of a position that they ended up in without looking at the facts.

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No, but you can convince them by being close enough to them that your distaste for their nonsense is palpable and constant.

That can’t happen if you’ve chased them off though.

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Its just spam at this point and should be dealt with accordingly

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If its really misinformation like you say, it should be no problem to debunk it with actual arguments.

you just opened a conspiratorial box of Pandora on lemmy.ml

What I’m talking about is just to come up with a position and indicate it in rules.

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And you want to ban people just because they have a different opinion. To me that sounds much more dangerous.

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It isn’t “opinion” whether vaccines/masks work or not.

this ^

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is this an opinion you are defending https://lemmy.ml/post/151029 ?

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That person clearly came just to brigade and not share their opinion in good faith. Most likely someone who was banned before and is evading too. No one should fear a ban for just wanting to discuss their opinions, but their is a huge influx lately of day old accounts trolling this anti vax stuff and those should be dealt with.

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deplatforming works, though.

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lolol

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2 paragraphs= “walls of text” 🙄

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Thanks getting this done and +1 to the rule amendment to lemmy.ml!

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On another note he’s lowkey spamming and it’s clogging up my timeline

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See screenshot

c/drugs would you also delete it? because they spread drugs propaganda, deleting a comunity helps people? people will stop using drugs because you are censoring them? nope you just created the streisand effect

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I’m not a fan of censorship, but I don’t think that community has a place on your instance unless y’all change your rules to allow for more freedom.

To be fair, I’m sure there’s so pro-pharma misinformation on your instance too but I’d assume that’s okay with you guys. Misinformation may not be the true issue at stake here, but right-leaning rhetoric.

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None of those posts are epic tbf

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Always have been 😎

I’m not a blind sheeple either way. I can’t say “Covid vaxx bad” because there’s no way to quantify the harm but I can’t say “COVID vaxx good” in any way other than that it definitely reduces COVID symptoms for most

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Well I’d assume you wouldn’t get too many COVID symptoms

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no.

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