• vzq@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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    If we are serious about UA regaining all territory, they must be allowed to expand the war into Russia. It’s the only way a state can be reached where “return to the status quo ante” is a gain for both sides.

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          In that sense, same as war. Putin’s not going to be hit; there’s no direct impact on him. But both cause economic and political pressures for him.

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    Oof that’s not a great idea. Protecting sovereignty is a hard enough sell internationally. Selling an invasion isn’t something the international community is really showing an interest in right now.

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        I support striking Russian military targets. I don’t support a ground invasion. So if what your saying is true I agree.

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        Ukraine is already doing that. Though in a small scale.

        The issue is escalating where Russia feels the need to use nukes. That is a no win for everyone.

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          Yeah they won’t be using nukes regardless of how the west “escalates”. They can leave Ukraine and end this whenever they want.

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            I’m not so sure if that. Putin is dying or so the stories go. He may escalate to nuked at some point.

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              I agree, putin is looking to glorify his accomplishments as “president”. I think the moment he wants to use nukes his ersatz administration will be forced to pull the plug. Hopefully he dies as humiliatingly as all fascists deserve to die.

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                I’m hoping his people pull the plug. I’m actually surprised they haven’t done it yet.

                The average Russian doesn’t want nuclear war anymore than anyone else.

                Historically the Russians have showed constraint with nuclear weapons. I hope that continues.

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              Stalin was much more powerful and feared than Putin is today. Look up how Stalin died if you want an idea of what is in Putin’s head right now.

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          The issue is escalating where Russia feels the need to use nukes. That is a no win for everyone.

          If the other option is just letting Russia run continuously unchecked across sovereign nations, then I guess we eat some nukes. However, Russia knows the first nuke they detonate means not even their liege, China, will defend them.

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            Hitler ordered the complete destruction of Germany before he was finished. You never know what Putin is going to do.