I don’t quite get it. Are things like #newpipe or #invidious legal or not? Wouldn’t #YouTube do everything to stop such services?
Depends on your country and how it handles copyright and DRM, but being illegal doesn’t necessarily mean it’s immoral. The mere concept of watching or downloading YouTube videos through an alternative client certainly does not keep me up at night with guilt.
@AgreeableLandscape Completely agree. I’m just curious.
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They probably don’t have enough users for yt to care. Also they often change their api and stuff so newpipe and ty-dlp don’t work for a while, until the next update :)
I don’t see how it can be illegal to use a website through a program instead of a browser.
@sexy_peach Yeah, don’t get me wrong. Not that I agree with it being illegal or forbidden, I’m just curious.
Isn’t there likely something in the TOx?If you don’t sign up for a google account, then you’re not agreeing to any terms and you can still use the site, right?
@saba As a user, yes, as the publisher/distributer of the service probably not.
Hmmm, I don’t know.
As I understand it, it is legal and it would be very difficult to make it not legal for youtube.
Basically, as long as these just forward the video from youtube without making copies, it is not copyright infringement. That only leaves the user agreement, which is limited in what it can do (it is not a properly signed contract).
PS: They could put a stop to it by requiring registering before watching videos but that could cost them more normal users than it gained.
@MajesticFlame @AgreeableLandscape @sexy_peach @saba Random coincidence: invidious was contacted by YouTube’s legal team: https://github.com/iv-org/invidious/issues/3872
I was just returning here to say this. Yes, I am eating my words a lot sooner than I expected. I wonder how a court would rule if invidious had the resources to defend themselves but that will likely not happen. They just won’t have the money to pay top notch lawyers and escalate to the supreme court.
I still think technologically speaking, invidious should be no different from a VPN/proxy, so it should be legal.