Pounding the table doesn’t make nonsense worthwhile.
Russia alone can end this war. The US cannot continue it, if they just leave. Nobody forced them to be there. Nobody is keeping them there. It is their war of aggression, for territory. Negotiating for anything besides “fuck off already” is pointless.
Stop blaming anyone else.
Stop pretending ‘you didn’t do diplomacy about our invasion, so the invasion marches on’ is anything but blame.
Fact: the war could be ended by diplomacy. Deal with it.
Also, let me be clear - the United States will never give Ukraine enough aid to win this war. Never. The point is to keep the war going forever, not to actually beat Russia. The US has zero interest in the war ever ending, you have to realize this. It’s better for a geopolitical rival to be tangled up forever.
No negotiating, no decisive victory, just an endless quagmire that acts as a permanent drag on the US’s rival and strengthens NATO. This war is the best gift Russia could have given the US. Get it?
Again, slapping the table with ‘fact!’ ‘deal with it!’ ‘period!’ sounds childish and adds nothing.
Especially when you’re still blaming America for Russia invading Ukraine.
Like it’s our fault they’re still there. They can leave. We can’t keep them.
And if we did what you’re suggesting, and just let them have Ukraine, they would invade someone else. We know this - because Ukraine’s not the first country they’ve done this to. NATO only exists because they keep fucking doing this. All of their neighbors joined a defensive pact because of it.
But oh no no no no, if we don’t politely talk to them about it, that’s us causing this war to go on. Fuck off.
Especially when you’re still blaming America for Russia invading Ukraine.
Show me where I did that. I don’t recall.
My only point has been that America doesn’t want the war to end, and this is very obvious. Neither giving Ukraine enough supplies to win nor negotiating with Russia, just endless war.
America is not giving Ukraine enough supplies to win. This doesn’t blame America for Russia’s invasion.
America is not willing to let Ukraine negotiate with Russia. This doesn’t blame America for Russia’s invasion.
I can only conclude, based on the fact that America clearly isn’t trying to end the war, that it doesn’t want the war to ever end. This isn’t blaming America for Russia’s invasion! America baited Russia into a quagmire and sprung a trap on them, but that doesn’t change the fact that Russia fell for it. Russia may prove me wrong and show that it can somehow benefit from this, but this looks like a pretty obvious win for America.
Russia fell into a trap of America’s making, but that doesn’t mean America forced Russia to invade Ukraine or America is to blame.
Hell, America has even said that Ukraine will be allowed to join NATO after the war is over. Why not allow Ukraine to join right now? Because America doesn’t want Ukraine to win! America wants the war to last as long as Russia can sustain the fighting, because it hurts Russia.
I don’t know how much more clear I can be that America is not to blame for Russia invading Ukraine. You are so moralistic you actually can’t comprehend geopolitics as anything but a story about good guys and bad guys; you interpret any criticism of America’s handling of this war as siding with Russia, as if I support a war of aggression. Playing blame games is for children. Grow up.
I understand who controls Ukraine’s army and government and who tells them when they’re allowed to negotiate.
I’m not talking about blame. I thought I made that clear.
What you’re doing is blame whether you call it that or not.
There is nothing to negotiate. Russia invaded and can fuck off at any time. It is entirely up to them.
And nobody told Ukraine not to negotiate. Russia asked America. America is saying: ask Ukraine.
If you refuse to negotiate then you get the obvious result. Stop being idealistic. The result of not negotiating a s the war continues. Period.
Pounding the table doesn’t make nonsense worthwhile.
Russia alone can end this war. The US cannot continue it, if they just leave. Nobody forced them to be there. Nobody is keeping them there. It is their war of aggression, for territory. Negotiating for anything besides “fuck off already” is pointless.
Stop blaming anyone else.
Stop pretending ‘you didn’t do diplomacy about our invasion, so the invasion marches on’ is anything but blame.
Moralism.
Fact: the war could be ended by diplomacy. Deal with it.
Also, let me be clear - the United States will never give Ukraine enough aid to win this war. Never. The point is to keep the war going forever, not to actually beat Russia. The US has zero interest in the war ever ending, you have to realize this. It’s better for a geopolitical rival to be tangled up forever.
No negotiating, no decisive victory, just an endless quagmire that acts as a permanent drag on the US’s rival and strengthens NATO. This war is the best gift Russia could have given the US. Get it?
Again, slapping the table with ‘fact!’ ‘deal with it!’ ‘period!’ sounds childish and adds nothing.
Especially when you’re still blaming America for Russia invading Ukraine.
Like it’s our fault they’re still there. They can leave. We can’t keep them.
And if we did what you’re suggesting, and just let them have Ukraine, they would invade someone else. We know this - because Ukraine’s not the first country they’ve done this to. NATO only exists because they keep fucking doing this. All of their neighbors joined a defensive pact because of it.
But oh no no no no, if we don’t politely talk to them about it, that’s us causing this war to go on. Fuck off.
Show me where I did that. I don’t recall.
My only point has been that America doesn’t want the war to end, and this is very obvious. Neither giving Ukraine enough supplies to win nor negotiating with Russia, just endless war.
‘Where am I doing what happens in the next sentence?’
Shoo.
America is not giving Ukraine enough supplies to win. This doesn’t blame America for Russia’s invasion.
America is not willing to let Ukraine negotiate with Russia. This doesn’t blame America for Russia’s invasion.
I can only conclude, based on the fact that America clearly isn’t trying to end the war, that it doesn’t want the war to ever end. This isn’t blaming America for Russia’s invasion! America baited Russia into a quagmire and sprung a trap on them, but that doesn’t change the fact that Russia fell for it. Russia may prove me wrong and show that it can somehow benefit from this, but this looks like a pretty obvious win for America.
Russia fell into a trap of America’s making, but that doesn’t mean America forced Russia to invade Ukraine or America is to blame.
Hell, America has even said that Ukraine will be allowed to join NATO after the war is over. Why not allow Ukraine to join right now? Because America doesn’t want Ukraine to win! America wants the war to last as long as Russia can sustain the fighting, because it hurts Russia.
I don’t know how much more clear I can be that America is not to blame for Russia invading Ukraine. You are so moralistic you actually can’t comprehend geopolitics as anything but a story about good guys and bad guys; you interpret any criticism of America’s handling of this war as siding with Russia, as if I support a war of aggression. Playing blame games is for children. Grow up.