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    11 months ago

    And the Party would tell him to change if the Party knew they’d lose the presidency.

    Do you think the Party would rather Trump win than stop supporting Israel? I doubt that.

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      They know they’re not going to lose on this issue, though, because anyone who seriously evaluates the election has come to the same conclusion that I already said: a Trump victory is the worst outcome. Again, you’ll have to put pressure on the party through other means, just one of which is electing more leftist downballot candidates.

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        They may actually lose on this issue. Democrats rely pretty heavily on younger voters and a lot of the really young voters, Zoomers, are making this a do or die issue, even though both of our only two parties with any chance of winning will support the genocide regardless.

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        They know they’re not going to lose on this issue, though, because anyone who seriously evaluates the election has come to the same conclusion that I already said: a Trump victory is the worst outcome.

        Okay, so my vote is irrelevant, got it. I’ve asked elsewhere and I’ll ask it here: why are you crawling up my dick about it? If my presidential vote doesn’t matter because “they’re not going to lose on this issue” then I can comfortably just leave that spot blank.

        Again, you’ll have to put pressure on the party through other means, just one of which is electing more leftist downballot candidates.

        Which I’m doing.

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          Exactly these people talk out of both sides of their mouths. On the one hand we don’t matter, on the other we’re responsible for HRC losing in 2016. It’s so fucking pathetic.

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      I don’t understand why people think the democrats losing to someone farther right would make them move left. Doesn’t it make more sense they’d move to the right since that’s what more voters wanted?

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        So you admit Democrats are just fascist light? Sounds like the fight is over then. We lost.

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          That’s not what I said. Moderate dems need to lose to progressives and not to conservatives to move the party left.

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            It’ll never happen. Too many primary voters are specifically out to fuck over leftist and progressives. Then they turn around and cry foul when we refuse to show up in the general. Fuck them.

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              Maybe not every democrat is a progressive and that’s why they vote against them? That’s democracy, not everyone agrees with you and sometimes you don’t get your way. Gotta work to change people’s mind and not just say fuck ‘em.

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                Maybe not every democrat is a progressive and that’s why they vote against them?

                Then they’re responsible for getting their piece of shit candidate elected in the general.

                Gotta work to change people’s mind and not just say fuck ‘em.

                They won’t. And I’m not going to keep propping up their procorporate trash candidate. If they want my vote they’ll have to hold their nose in the primaries and vote for someone more progressive or leftist than they’d like.

                Don’t like it? That’s democracy, not everyone agrees with you and sometimes you don’t get your way.