As an artist, I think it is a net negative for us. Disregarding the copyright issue, I think it’s also consolidating power into large corporations, going to kill learning fundamental skills (rip next generation of artists), and turn the profession into a low skill minimum wage job. Artists that spent years learning and perfecting their skills will be worth nothing and I think it’s a pretty depressing future for us. Anways thoughts?

  • Anna ☭🏳️‍⚧️
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    If you aren’t an artist and don’t appreciate the amount of time, skills, and labor that goes into creating art then of course you wouldn’t see a problem with automating something that is central to the human experience and is the center of many people’s passion and dreams.

    People often have passions for things. That is true. That does not mean anything when automation is generally trending towards replacing manual labour. Artistry will be like a Tailor, it will be reduced towards something of little value, and eventually no value, as all general trends go when automation is in progress.

    It sounds like you don’t care much about your job being automated because you have given up on life for the most part.

    I really haven’t, but go off. I feel pretty much fine as it stands now.

    You’re fine with the prospect of things getting so bad that nobody has any dreams any more.

    Nobody having dreams anymore because their job is being reduced? I’m pretty sure it’s the opposite, but like I said, go off.

    The government isn’t going to step in when everything becomes automated and give us UBI. It won’t be a utopia.

    Are you imagining this happening under capitalism? You’re just implying that “socialism is when the government does stuff.”

    It is hard to say whether or not a “socialist” society would advance AI or not but a lot of what I have seen here is computer programmers (not artists) hate on artists or anybody who has dreams to do anything meaningful with their lives.

    A socialist society should trend towards the development of the productive forces. This includes any industry that should be reduced towards AI. Without the development of the productive forces, we will regress. Also you’re generalising it to the point where programmers hate artists? Go off.

    When you take that away, what is left? What are you living for? You’re probably living because you believe in something or have aspirations to be able to spend time doing something that you love.

    Did anyone have freight when tailors were being reduced to the point where they are working in sweatshops overseas? Or when programmers are being replaced by a ‘code generating assistant’? No, so why should it be the case of artistry as well? You’re just separating the artistry outside every other craft.

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      What will you be doing when your job is automated, and when there is no value to learning artistic and creative processes? Do you genuinely believe that a socialist government will take over our current system to derail the moral and existential threats of AI? Socialism appeals to me because capitalism doesn’t make any room to consider quality of life and these are the reasons most people are critical of it on a variety of levels.

      It sounds like you have given up on life if you think that you can deduce everything as quantitative labor, and feel better about yourself and the situation by reducing a person’s dream as “Oh well, it happened to tailors.”

      There are a lot of people in the world who work industrial jobs such as sweatshops with hopes and dreams of connecting with other people through art, either through a job or some kind of community focused on artistic expression. My entire argument is that art is much more important to people than just doing a job - it is beyond “enjoying” something for some money.

      It is really odd to me that you consider yourself a socialist and yet seem to have no regard and are arguing against my point that this is having and will continue to have a very negative impact on people’s quality of life. It has already caused despair and it will have a negative impact on education and development.

      The way that these programs are used and the way that the data is obtained is unethical and beyond that it is not contributing anything since art never needed to be automated.

      Like I’ve said and keep saying, anybody can be an artist if they put in the work. Even my partner, who has a disability, carpal tunnel in her wrist from working at a grocery store pushing 1,000 lbs pallets, takes time every day to work on her skills and has been beset by a number of factors in her life. What keeps her going is that she can work on becoming an artist so she can share her work with other people, and inspire them to do the same no matter how shitty their situation is.

      People need something to live for. People deserve to feel like they’re good at something and are contributing their skills and interests to also motivate people to keep going in life.

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          So you are going to pull out every stereotype on the Internet and shut me and everyone here who doesnt agree with your ideas down completely. Got it.

          “Read theory dummy!” “Ignore the Trotsky dumbass!”

          This is why the left is so divided and figures in the Internet online sphere of leftist politics have failed to create an environment that is any less horrible to people than the outside world.