Doesn’t this violate the whole “don’t be a dick to each other” rule?
I did my best to phrase this post in a way such as to not attack anyone, morerather the arguments (and also phrase it in a way such that i open the door to discussion instead of “omg i cant stand those people”). If you think at any point I did that wrong, do you mind sharing?
Stalin’s a hero, the gulags were right, the CPC is on the right side of history, and there is no Uyghur genocide.
Please tell me you’re trolling and I’m just missing something
So your only successful example is someone who wasn’t successful?
Okay, well what are your best examples of communist success? Because last time I checked the USSR was dissolved and - as evidenced by Xinjiang and Taiwan - China has pursued a route of fascist imperialism and Sinicization (which is hardly communist).
Seems like kind of a loser political philosophy.
This argument has no value and could be applied to literally any political philosophy.
In case you got the wrong idea, anarchists are generally not opposed to justified hierarchy. I agree that trains need to have rules in place to stop them smashing into each other, however I sternly argue that that does not necessitate a state.
Same thing applies to the cotton mill: if everyone needs to be there at a certain time for the mill to run then without the workers adhering to this rule there can be no cotton produced - but the workers aren’t stupid. They will agree on a time for all of them, and if that time doesn’t work for someone they can just nope out and get some other job, no questions asked. They have no right to force someone to work the cotton mill for the same reason a slaveowner has no right to force someone to work cotton farms, and as such the only reason any authority would be needed would be if you were to force people to run the cotton mills (even if they had other things to do at that times). If someone doesn’t want to help at the cotton mills at that time, then so be it, but its not like he has some divine obligation to do such work.
What prevents any other anarchist grouping from claiming the hierarchy you prefer isn’t justified?
however I sternly argue that that does not necessitate a state.
Lets make this simple: A bunch of oppressed people group together and use violence to defend their interests. What prevents any anarchist from calling that an “authoritarian redfash state”?
The “freedom” of the capitalist class is the freedom to extract surplus value from workers. Should that freedom not be challenged? When workers do exactly that, don’t capitalists and their defenders start whining about the sanctity of “freedom”?
How dare they have criticisms of my philosophy which advocates an authoritarian dictatorship that would probably send them to gulag! Clearly they aren’t worth debating!
@Catradora_Stalinism Read about red terror. You are not stalinist, you are anti-capitalist. Don’t be a fan of this murderer, it repulses people that have to live with repercussions of his crimes
I did my best to phrase this post in a way such as to not attack anyone, morerather the arguments (and also phrase it in a way such that i open the door to discussion instead of “omg i cant stand those people”). If you think at any point I did that wrong, do you mind sharing?
Please tell me you’re trolling and I’m just missing something
Ironically I’ve never actually read it.
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Matey, you’ve left your native instance and came to Lemmy.ml just to say to leave you alone? This is hilarious
you guys keep talking about us over here, so we move over here!
Because last time there was a “successful socialist movement” it lead to the Red Army invading and annexing anarchist free territories that helped crush the White Army calling them “an enemy behind our lines”
Why don’t you take your tankieshit back to leftypol and leave us alone?
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Okay, well what are your best examples of communist success? Because last time I checked the USSR was dissolved and - as evidenced by Xinjiang and Taiwan - China has pursued a route of fascist imperialism and Sinicization (which is hardly communist).
This argument has no value and could be applied to literally any political philosophy.
In case you got the wrong idea, anarchists are generally not opposed to justified hierarchy. I agree that trains need to have rules in place to stop them smashing into each other, however I sternly argue that that does not necessitate a state. Same thing applies to the cotton mill: if everyone needs to be there at a certain time for the mill to run then without the workers adhering to this rule there can be no cotton produced - but the workers aren’t stupid. They will agree on a time for all of them, and if that time doesn’t work for someone they can just nope out and get some other job, no questions asked. They have no right to force someone to work the cotton mill for the same reason a slaveowner has no right to force someone to work cotton farms, and as such the only reason any authority would be needed would be if you were to force people to run the cotton mills (even if they had other things to do at that times). If someone doesn’t want to help at the cotton mills at that time, then so be it, but its not like he has some divine obligation to do such work.
What prevents any other anarchist grouping from claiming the hierarchy you prefer isn’t justified?
Lets make this simple: A bunch of oppressed people group together and use violence to defend their interests. What prevents any anarchist from calling that an “authoritarian redfash state”?
The “freedom” of the capitalist class is the freedom to extract surplus value from workers. Should that freedom not be challenged? When workers do exactly that, don’t capitalists and their defenders start whining about the sanctity of “freedom”?
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send you to a gulag? Mate you wouldn’t be worth the space! The citizens of the USSR would probably beat you up before you start beggin for the cops!
@Catradora_Stalinism Read about red terror. You are not stalinist, you are anti-capitalist. Don’t be a fan of this murderer, it repulses people that have to live with repercussions of his crimes
The USSR does not exist any more…
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Aren’t CNN (by US standards) left-aligned?