• @personwithakeyboard
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    No, my point with all of those is that they all want independence but neither the West or Russia and China will let them be. Why do they have to be under an empire at all?

    And even if Crimea is historically Russian, it’s definitely not purely Russian now, it’s still insanely shitty towards the handful of Ukraineans living there to be cutoff from other people in Ukraine.

    Also, if Crimea (and Donbass) is supposedly fucked over by Ukraine, how is it helping them to bomb the shit out of them instead of Kiev? If you wanna liberate people from a bad government, attack that government, not the region you’re trying to “save”.

    All these wars only create horrible conditions for the people living there and they end up hating everyone, the ones ruling them and the ones trying to save them. The next generations will not be very warm towards Russians or Westerners and the cycle of violence will continue.

    What I would want is for all these empires to stop pushing one culture or another on people that are far away from the capital and central government.

    • @AgreeableLandscapeM
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      No, my point with all of those is that they all want independence but neither the West or Russia and China will let them be.

      Again, that’s a completely different concept to colonialism. Your argument is that China and Russia are colonisers, which have specific definitions and criteria to be called that, yet your examples are of completely irrelevant actions.

      And even if Crimea is historically Russian, it’s definitely not purely Russian now, it’s still insanely shitty towards the handful of Ukraineans living there to be cutoff from other people in Ukraine.

      “The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.” Handful of Ukrainians, who still have the ability of going back to mainland Ukraine, vs the vastly more Russians who want to be apart of Russia.

      It’s the same BS argument that people use against decolonizing places like Hawaii, or North America in general. “What about the white people who live there if you want to give it back to the natives?” Simple! Get the fuck out if they want you the fuck out!

      Also, if Crimea (and Donbass) is supposedly fucked over by Ukraine, how is it helping them to bomb the shit out of them instead of Kiev?

      Bombing Nazi strongholds that are controlling the rest of the region? Hmm, I wonder how that could possibly help liberate them. Also, again, you might want to check up on the scandals of Ukraine/NATO bombing those places and then blaming Russia. Like this.. There are m,any documented cases that, surprise surprise, the West is keeping real quiet about.

      The next generations will not be very warm towards Russians or Westerners and the cycle of violence will continue.

      https://lemmygrad.ml/c/donbass – A lot of direct accounts of people there. They absolutely hate Westerners because why would they not, Russia, not so much.

      What I would want is for all these empires to stop pushing one culture or another on people that are far away from the capital and central government.

      Just because a country has a central government doesn’t mean it’s an empire. Again, empire has an actual political definition and criteria, and like colonialism, isn’t some buzzword you can slap on any country you don’t like.