• @ster
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    04 years ago

    Firstly, I’m not American and I’ve said very clearly multiple times that I do not like America. Secondly, it’s pretty funny to talk about genocide of muslims as someone who likes the CCP, who are most infamously currently running genocidal “re-education” (read: concentration) camps for innocent muslims.

    Democratic countries have enacted LGBT rights across the globe, including marriage equality and rights to adopt. They have enabled freedom of the press which has revealed and brought justice for many crimes. They have protected many from poverty through welfare programs, though it is well accepted that they could do much more. They provide millions with education and funding for scientific research.

    China is pretty close to being state capitalist. That means that they do live in a combination of an oligarchy and a plutocracy. It is impossible to entirely avoid a plutocracy without eliminating money. China still has its billionaires and power is concentrated in unelected politicians and explicitly chosen businessmen.

    You can appreciate the successes and shortcomings of both the USA and China. Neither is anywhere near perfect, nor is either purely evil.

    But there’s no need to be a such a CCP fanboy just because I say:

    • I’d rather live in a country where I’m legally allowed to live my life as a gay man, adopt children and marry.
    • I’d rather live in a country where I can openly criticise the plutocracy they have and campaign for socialism.
    • I don’t want to live in a country where I’m not allowed to criticise the government for fear of being arrested, where I’m not even allowed to talk about tragedies such as the Tiananmen Square Massacre.
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      4 years ago

      To correct your statement, China is not “genociding” Muslims, or all Muslims for that matter. Uighurs (not all of the 25 million) are simply being prevented from being radicalised by Wahhabis and ETIM.

      What America is doing in Middle East is called genocide of Muslims. China lets most of them live a peaceful life, and the 1 million Uighur number is extrapolated by the nutjob Adrian Zenz. There are less than half of that figure Uighurs in their re-education camps at the moment. Compare this to the million plus blacks and Muslims in USA concentration camps where horrible things happen, and the millions of Muslims genocided in Middle East by USA invasion troops.

      There is no evidence China suppresses LGBTQ+ people. Again a false statement.

      They have enabled freedom of the press which has revealed and brought justice for many crimes.

      So, freedom like Julian Assange or Reality Winner? Which one?

      China is pretty close to being state capitalist. That means that they do live in a combination of an oligarchy and a plutocracy.

      This is the most bullshit thing I have read in ages. China is the most capitalist country that exists in the world, and is the most meritocracy focused one as well. There exists almost no plutocracy when the whole country is about to be out of poverty by end of this year.

      Plutocracy, by its core meaning, exists when there is a wide gap between rich and poor, where poor are unable to sustain themselves. Therefore, your statement is false.

      I can definitely criticise both, but from what I am able to see, USA keeps lying and lying and lying all the time and justify their racism and international war crimes every single day. I wonder why there do not exist things like insane levels of bigotry or Karen culture in Asia or Eastern EU or Africa…

      As a matter of fact, most USA states have a very shitty standard of life. Moreover the whole country is virulent now thanks to anti masker and anti vaxxer culture. California and New York are good examples. You are selling 2005 USA to me in 2020.

      You can be an American fanboy if you want to. Again, you can criticise China as long as it is not baseless targeted propaganda. Either you are a loser troll or you simply hate CCP because that is what CFR media feeds you every night.

      • @ster
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        04 years ago

        I’m not going to continue this discussion:

        • You’re using whataboutism constantly, despite me saying that I don’t like the US or think it is a good country.
        • You’re creating a strawman by claiming that I’m “selling” you USA
        • You’re ignoring the Uighur genocide, despite there being objective proof of its existence. This means I cannot engage with you if you accept ethnocide as something you will tolerate.
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          Nothing deters me from calling you an American fanboy, as you have proven here with your projection and false hatred spewing statements. There is no whataboutism, and you should go back to whatever new hatred echo chamber subreddit there is these days.

          It would be better if you avoided me on the internet.

          • @ster
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            04 years ago

            You really need to check yourself. You’re the one who’s spewing hatred at me, when all I’ve done is expressed my viewpoint. No one is going to take your side in an argument if you treat them like this.

            • @TheAnonymouseJokerOPM
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              4 years ago

              I do not need to beg nobody to take my side unlike you who is selling me American dream since the past couple days. Shoo shoo, go away now.

              You were not going to continue this conversation, were you?

              • @ster
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                14 years ago

                I said I wasn’t going to continue the discussion, which I haven’t. But I will continue the conversation to defend the fact that you have been attacking me while I have simply been sharing my opinion and acknowledging facts about the two countries

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                  Projection. The opposite has been happening all along, cornball.