• @ster
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    14 years ago

    What are you even on about? I’m not sinophobic. I have no problem with the people in China or their culture, only their government. I think it’s a fantastic country, but not a perfect one, and the same applies to the US (and India). It’s not propaganda, it’s just the political system and way of life in China which is freedom-restricting, undemocratic and corrupt.

    • @TheAnonymouseJokerOPM
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      4 years ago

      Do you have problem with USA government, since you said USA government is better than Chinese government?

      Because from what I know, they are the ones spying the world since 50 years, and murdering Muslims and blacks around the world, and committing hysterectomies and skin repigmentation on women and blacks in their concentration camps. Oh, did I tell you former White House strategist and defected HK virologist got caught lying about COVID-19 being a Chinese manmade virus? What about the Nayirah testimony with which they justified invasion of Middle East?

      You see, you are nothing but an American apologist. You are Sinophobic, and the whole of Chinese people actually love CCP, so if you attack one, you attack both.

      Before I go, let me drop this bomb on you.

      Exclusive: More Hong Kong Residents Say U.S. Is Bigger Threat Than China, Poll Shows: https://www.newsweek.com/exclusive-more-hong-kong-say-us-threat-china-poll-1519710

      • @ster
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        14 years ago

        What are you on about? I hate the USA. It’s an extremely corrupt nation, practically a dystopia. But I also hate China. It’s not black or white, you don’t have to like one to dislike the other. I would rather live in the US though, because they have some democracy and more freedom of speech than China.

        Also just because Hong Kong residents believe it doesn’t mean they are right.

        • @TheAnonymouseJokerOPM
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          04 years ago

          If Hong Kong residents believed US/Britain colonialism was right, your tone would have been different. Thanks for confirming your biases, and your “beliefs” of democracy in USA.

          USA has plutocracy, while China is the one with democratic capitalism, even if the state is authoritarian there. You need to learn a lot.

          • @ster
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            14 years ago

            China is democratic? That’s a funny joke

            • @TheAnonymouseJokerOPM
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              14 years ago

              China actually gives freedom to mothers and fathers to be able to go safely to a shop and buy diapers and food for their kids, without risk of being infected and dying because some anti vaxxers and anti maskers cannot roam around there.

              USA’s toxic freedom ironically hurts the essential freedom of other people moving around in cities and elsewhere.

              So yeah, China does have freedoms in a sense that actually matters, even if they are not being able to abuse a CCP worker without factual basis. (Actually you can criticise CCP by writing letters if a job has not been done eg. road repairs, broken sewage et al. They just prohibit Western propaganda bots and machines from working.)

              • @ster
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                14 years ago

                I have no idea why you’re a CCP sympathiser. Even if life in China is better than the US that doesn’t change the fact that China is an authoritan regime who persecutes the Uyghurs, has no democracy and has mass surveillance to prevent anyone speaking out about them.

                Just because you like socialism doesn’t mean you have to like the CCP. I’m a socialist and I think both China and US have extremely flawed systems.

                • @TheAnonymouseJokerOPM
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                  04 years ago

                  So putting facts on the table makes me a CCP sympathiser? Typical American.

                  Atleast I am not an American apologist supporting child rape, hysterectomies, skin repigmentation or genocide of Muslims and blacks.

                  I can like the CCP if I want to, because they are alleviating 800 million plus people out of poverty. No democracy ever has done such a good deed, and all democracies are destined to become plutocracies as India (where I live) and USA are.

                  Has any democracy done such a good deed? Name one. I will probably start disliking CCP.

                  • @ster
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                    04 years ago

                    Firstly, I’m not American and I’ve said very clearly multiple times that I do not like America. Secondly, it’s pretty funny to talk about genocide of muslims as someone who likes the CCP, who are most infamously currently running genocidal “re-education” (read: concentration) camps for innocent muslims.

                    Democratic countries have enacted LGBT rights across the globe, including marriage equality and rights to adopt. They have enabled freedom of the press which has revealed and brought justice for many crimes. They have protected many from poverty through welfare programs, though it is well accepted that they could do much more. They provide millions with education and funding for scientific research.

                    China is pretty close to being state capitalist. That means that they do live in a combination of an oligarchy and a plutocracy. It is impossible to entirely avoid a plutocracy without eliminating money. China still has its billionaires and power is concentrated in unelected politicians and explicitly chosen businessmen.

                    You can appreciate the successes and shortcomings of both the USA and China. Neither is anywhere near perfect, nor is either purely evil.

                    But there’s no need to be a such a CCP fanboy just because I say:

                    • I’d rather live in a country where I’m legally allowed to live my life as a gay man, adopt children and marry.
                    • I’d rather live in a country where I can openly criticise the plutocracy they have and campaign for socialism.
                    • I don’t want to live in a country where I’m not allowed to criticise the government for fear of being arrested, where I’m not even allowed to talk about tragedies such as the Tiananmen Square Massacre.