@ALeftistMoniker: 🧵 Why every liberal take on Ukraine is awful. vox.com/2015/3/23/8279… Because the liberal media explained 7 years ago that Kolomoisky, the oligarch that funded Zelenskiy’s campaign was funding tons...…
To more directly answer you question, I felt the need to write that because I often see from the most vocal “leftists” such as yourself an unwavering support of anything that Russia or China does because they say they’re communist nations. This is despite well-documented atrocities and corruption performed by these same noble governments.
It’s the same logic that brings many people to call themselves Democrats: “The Republicans are just awful so I’m going to support Democrat candidates no matter how reprehensible they themselves are.”
In this case, it’s that since capitalism and the governmenta that support it are truly reprehensible (true) then countries that say they aren’t capitalist are good (false). If that logic tracked then the Nazis were the good guys since they were the National Socialist Party.
That greed and mental illnesses that drive capitalism are destroying the planet but Russia and China aren’t the good guys and they’re not saving us either. I don’t see any good guys; I see different shades of bad guys and I’m tired of this notion that the enemies of the US need to be supported. They’re their own flavors of fascist dictatorships where admitting the wrong idea can get you arrested or permanently disappeared.
It’s so disheartening to see people who obviously view themselves as “enlightened leftists” pushing the other fascists’ propaganda. It feels trendy to throw support to the enemies of the US but “the left” shouldn’t and doesn’t mean supporting governments who say they’re communists but blatently violate human rights.
tldr: fuck the US government and fuck capitalism, and also fuck the Russian and Chinese governments
Once again, your comment is full of straw man arguments that have nothing to do with anything I’ve ever said here. Nobody is defending Russia here. I think it’s odd that any discussion Ukrainian regime is immediately dismissed by deflecting towards Russia. It’s also big news to me that Russia is a communist nation, last I checked that hasn’t been the case for at least three decades now.
Meanwhile, China is literally doing the most to stop climate change out of any industrialized nation. Seems like you’re all too happy to ignore facts that don’t fit with your ideology. Calling China fascist shows deep and profound misunderstanding of what fascism is.
Does Russia say it is a communist nation? This confused me.
Also, further down in your post, it seems you are relating fascism with communism…they’re completely opposite ideologies…is my reading comprehension bad right now? I am tired, it is an honest question.
They’re not relating the two, they’re criticizing the idea of an ‘all enemies of capitalism are good’ view. That said, socialists usually acknowledge that Nazism isn’t actually against capitalism, it just seeks to control it, but the analogy is still clear.
that Russia or China does because they say they’re communist nations
I hope you’re aware that Russia is absolutely not communist, socialist or run by people who call it either, for a few decades now.
Also, it’s strange to imply that “National Socialism” wasn’t just regulated capitalism since the Strassers got purged.
But apart from that, yes. It’s worrying to see some of the so-called leftists react against horrible liberal/NATO takes by supporting Russia instead. The enemy of our enemy is not our friend here.
To more directly answer you question, I felt the need to write that because I often see from the most vocal “leftists” such as yourself an unwavering support of anything that Russia or China does because they say they’re communist nations. This is despite well-documented atrocities and corruption performed by these same noble governments.
It’s the same logic that brings many people to call themselves Democrats: “The Republicans are just awful so I’m going to support Democrat candidates no matter how reprehensible they themselves are.”
In this case, it’s that since capitalism and the governmenta that support it are truly reprehensible (true) then countries that say they aren’t capitalist are good (false). If that logic tracked then the Nazis were the good guys since they were the National Socialist Party.
That greed and mental illnesses that drive capitalism are destroying the planet but Russia and China aren’t the good guys and they’re not saving us either. I don’t see any good guys; I see different shades of bad guys and I’m tired of this notion that the enemies of the US need to be supported. They’re their own flavors of fascist dictatorships where admitting the wrong idea can get you arrested or permanently disappeared.
It’s so disheartening to see people who obviously view themselves as “enlightened leftists” pushing the other fascists’ propaganda. It feels trendy to throw support to the enemies of the US but “the left” shouldn’t and doesn’t mean supporting governments who say they’re communists but blatently violate human rights.
tldr: fuck the US government and fuck capitalism, and also fuck the Russian and Chinese governments
Once again, your comment is full of straw man arguments that have nothing to do with anything I’ve ever said here. Nobody is defending Russia here. I think it’s odd that any discussion Ukrainian regime is immediately dismissed by deflecting towards Russia. It’s also big news to me that Russia is a communist nation, last I checked that hasn’t been the case for at least three decades now.
Meanwhile, China is literally doing the most to stop climate change out of any industrialized nation. Seems like you’re all too happy to ignore facts that don’t fit with your ideology. Calling China fascist shows deep and profound misunderstanding of what fascism is.
Does Russia say it is a communist nation? This confused me.
Also, further down in your post, it seems you are relating fascism with communism…they’re completely opposite ideologies…is my reading comprehension bad right now? I am tired, it is an honest question.
They’re not relating the two, they’re criticizing the idea of an ‘all enemies of capitalism are good’ view. That said, socialists usually acknowledge that Nazism isn’t actually against capitalism, it just seeks to control it, but the analogy is still clear.
Okay
I hope you’re aware that Russia is absolutely not communist, socialist or run by people who call it either, for a few decades now.
Also, it’s strange to imply that “National Socialism” wasn’t just regulated capitalism since the Strassers got purged.
But apart from that, yes. It’s worrying to see some of the so-called leftists react against horrible liberal/NATO takes by supporting Russia instead. The enemy of our enemy is not our friend here.
Haha all fascists. Me no fascist.