Smartphone Hardening non-root Guide 2.0 (for normal people)

@TheAnonymouseJoker · edit-2 4 years ago

Smartphone Hardening non-root Guide 2.0 (for normal people)

@cmxns · 4 years ago

You are coming off as agressive. Kindly request you to be a gentleman even if we have disagreements.

To be honest, I don’t see where I was aggressive in my comments. All I was doing is asking questions and arguing about your choice of words in the article.

Apple employees were selling data in China, which you can read.

There’s a difference between Apple and an Apple’s employee who’s got an unauthorised access to data.

For the iTunes lawsuit, it was found that iTunes does collect personal data on you, but I will give you the leeway and benefit of doubt.

Yes, I’m 100% sure that this lawsuit is bullshit because:

This is not the first time someone claims something like this.
There’s no proof that Apple sells iTunes data.
There’s a common sense that says me this is bullshit.

You can tell me I was wrong after the court will rule that Apple was selling user data. But I doubt this will happen. As you said, “Until it is proven, I will just declare it to be FUD garbage.”

How about Siri recording conversations, and continuing to record them 9 months after they promised they would not do it.

Yep, they collecting user’s recording and only recently allowed you to opt-out. Still, they didn’t sell it.

You can watch The Hated One’s video on Apple as well, discussing the Epsilon values on differential privacy fake claims.

To watch a YouTuber discussing differential privacy? Yeah, sure. Right after he will show me his PhD degree in math.

I see you went crazy on HN’s comments but my point was not to insult you but instead to address your comment:

The thread is about the guide I made, and it seems to contain facts that others are not criticising except you.

The whole point of this discussion for me was simply to ask you to be more careful with accusations in the article. There’re no proofs on Apple’s selling user data and I would be highly surprises they do this after all their effort in making their devices, software and SDKs more privacy-aware.

Instead of throwing such a strong claims you could instead say something like “placing your trust in companies and giving away your personal info is not a good idea if you’re privacy conscious person” or something. But you just grabbed few links with headlines like “YO YO Apple selling your data, no shit” without even reading them. I suppose, to give more weight to your article and for hype? This makes really hard to take the rest of the guide seriously.

@TheAnonymouseJoker · 4 years ago

Apple employee is Apple’s responsibility, and if Apple did not fire them before they did this, they count as Apple employee, and thus it is Apple’s doing.

Yep, they collecting user’s recording and only recently allowed you to opt-out. Still, they didn’t sell it.

Why are they collecting data when “what happens on iPhone stays on iPhone”? Is that not false advertisement about claiming to protect a human right?

To watch a YouTuber discussing differential privacy? Yeah, sure. Right after he will show me his PhD degree in math.

Calling The Hated One an ordinary YouTuber on the subject of privacy is not just disingenuous, but ignorant and shows a lack of understanding. He is educated enough to talk about it, which almost nobody else talks about.

There is proof of Apple selling user data (Apple employee is not separate from Apple), so they are clearly doing it, as well as having some lovely relations with data give and take with Facebook and Google.

Enough people are taking my guide seriously, and it helps with privacy of their personal data or metadata, so it is good enough for now. Bickering people have not done anything to help the majority of people, and keep basking in the glory of custom ROM and tinkering all day. I am helping that lowest common denominator, which needs the most help and improves the privacy of others as a net indirect result.

@cmxns · 4 years ago

Apple employee is Apple’s responsibility

That’s why they were prosecuted.

they count as Apple employee, and thus it is Apple’s doing

By your logic, if a citizen of a country will kill another citizen then it’s the country who killed that citizen. Pretty flawed, huh?

Why are they collecting data when “what happens on iPhone stays on iPhone”? Is that not false advertisement about claiming to protect a human right?

How’s it related to selling user data? There’s a lot of things to blame Apple for. But this is off topic.

Calling The Hated One an ordinary YouTuber on the subject of privacy is not just disingenuous, but ignorant and shows a lack of understanding.

I don’t care about YouTubes. What’s his accomplishments except for retelling other sources? How is his content different from lifehacks and minecraft letsplays? Did he proved a flaw in differential privacy? If so, where can I take a look at the paper?

There is proof of Apple selling user data (Apple employee is not separate from Apple)

I’ve showed that this doesn’t work like that. This is also contradicts their privacy policy. Are you saying that they are lying in their public legal document? Then why no one won a lawsuit agains them given that there were lawsuits?

For the third day in a row I’m asking you to provide a source for your claim and we’re still here. That’s not even funny anymore.

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I’m not saying that your guide is complete garbage or anything like that. I believe that there are people who will find it useful. Your claims on Apple selling personal data and pointing to unrelated links as an “evidence” is the problem. Well, you’re not the first one in the hype train and you’re definitely not the last one.

@jsgohac · 4 years ago

If he or she modified the claim to say “Apple profits from collecting user data”, would that satisfy your concern? This way unprovable claims of financial transactions with third parties would be removed, but still acknowledges the collection process.

@cmxns · 4 years ago

Yep, that sounds about right. But it’s up to the author if he/she wants to modify it. I don’t insist, I’m just arguing about the choice of words.

@TheAnonymouseJoker · 4 years ago

But you did not acknowledge the prosecution, and denied that it had anything to do with Apple. This is the problem with the way you are arguing. Your criticism seems acceptable, but then it becomes a bad faith argument couple sentences later.

Apple is not a country, but a corporation that makes tall claims of protecting privacy in exchange for $1000+ device people buy, then backstab them. Understanding this is fundamental to educating masses about privacy.

How’s it related to selling user data? There’s a lot of things to blame Apple for. But this is off topic.

Apple makes privacy claims then does these backstabbing things, which clearly indicate that privacy is a marketing tool to them, and not a human right as Tim Cook stated publicly.

Did he proved a flaw in differential privacy? If so, where can I take a look at the paper?

He is not proving a theory himself but making the information about Epsilon values of handled data by these corporations more visible to public. I am sure this can be checked via searching.

Then why no one won a lawsuit agains them given that there were lawsuits?

I hope you are joking. Apple is the national brand of USA, and US government is there to protect them. Besides, Apple has nearly infinite money and political power to crush people criticising them via lawsuits.

For the third day I showed you couple sources that prove Apple sells and collects data, and you are continuing to stay in denial or argue in a nullifying manner.

You are not the first and last one to believe in the religion of Apple. There are plenty of those at reddit.com/r/privacy.

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@TheAnonymouseJoker · edit-2 4 years ago

Go live in the woods if you want, because that is NOT realistic.

Apple got no eyes on it because it is closed source, and will stay that way. Closed source by definition means you cannot verify the code directly.

If The Hated One is an edge lord, then you are a straight up Apple cultist in that sense, going by your comment.

you are one of those “open source is good” but probably never read one line of code ever. Having Apple sandboxing apps is better than having fdroid to download stuff no one knows and so it’s less checked.

Brainwash someone else. I know how to decompile and read code, and open source code has 100x more eyes on it compared to closed source where only the codemaking organisation can see the code.

If you want to start playing with ROMs, it’s different but you are going to either give up on services like banking by phone OR, to access them, give back your phone to google telemetry.

Thinking Apple telemetry is any better than Google telemetry, and Apple telemetry does not go to NSA, and that Apple telemetry is somehow a “protective Big Brother” with good bytes instead of bad bytes is very stupid. Apple makes a mockery out of folks like you, and you keep doing the good service.

Keep being delusional. This is why I want to protect people from folks like you, who advocate closed source stuff, and always try to take a jab at or condemn open source alternatives. (I think you might be owning loaned or EMI’d Apple devices and want to defend your costly purchases.)

@gottfried · edit-2 3 years ago

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@TheAnonymouseJoker · 4 years ago

The problem is Android has had camera and mic notification since Android 9.0 Pie. Apple shills are creating the narrative that their camera mic notifications are somehow magic.

Calling for regulation is the most effective PR campaign for themselves. Tesla, Microsoft and others come out everyday “asking” for it to look good to people.

Their direction is anti right to repair, anti privacy, anti open source and thus I do not want people to do anything with them. Same goes for masses who I try to tell about these things.

@ex_06 · edit-2 3 years ago

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@TheAnonymouseJoker · edit-2 4 years ago

The one who is shit is probably you, not “open source”. Go back to your closed source capitalist Windows/MacOS/iOS cave.

Advocating for Apple and privacy in the same sentence is like advocating for child protection laws and pedophilic justice together.